So if you print PTs from 7Sage, in the LG section, you have a giant margin at the bottom of at least one, usually both, pages to do all your scratch work. In the prep test books supplied by LSAC, there's hardly any room. Which one reflects how much space you get on the actual test?

What’s your schedule from today to test day on Monday? I did my last PT (84) today and scored what i typically score. No ugly or sexy surprises. Tomorrow, i have plans to go to my doctor appointment, read the economist, drill one section for confidence and meditate.

On Thursday, I’m getting a facial, meditating, watching movies. Then Friday-Saturday i will be reading the economist and meditating and doing 1-2 confidence sections as well as preparing my zip loc bag with test day stuff. Sunday night — nothing — will probably binge watch a show or something.

What are y’all doing?

Logical Reasoning Help:

PT63.S1.Q1 (and Q2)

PT63.S1.Q1 - I am confused as to how this is a strengthen question. The prompt (if I’m not mistaken) is an inference type: “which one of the following most logically completes the argument?” I would appreciate any help!

PT63.S1.Q2 - Overall, this question was extremely difficult for me to understand. To weaken the argument, I would need to find an alternate cause for Jocko’s silence. The majority of the answer choices seemed to provide alternate causes (?) Again, any help would be greatly appreciated!

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https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-63-section-1-question-01/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-63-section-1-question-02/

So I am looking for some guidance on the hard Logic Games I should practice. This section is by far my strongest section. The past couple of PTs I have scored my worst -3 and best -0. Because of this I have really backed away from working on LG so I can focus on LR and RC. I am concerned though that if I don't practice some then I will end up with a game I am not familiar with in September. Does anyone have a list of some of the hardest games that I can use to practice? I had some notes on advice someone gave on another post that said to practice PT27G2, PT29G2, PT33G3, PT79G4, and PT70G3.

I wouldn't say I have mastered them by any means but I actually genuinely enjoy doing them and have done very well after going through the CC and some fool-proofing. If only I could say the same about LR and RC.

Hey everyone!

I've been struggling the last several days with these question types. I'm trying to score 175 on the exam. Right now my logic games section is good (0 or -1). My reading comprehension is my weak spot that I'm trying to compensate for. It ranges from -3 to -6. As a result, I'm trying to get as close to perfect on logical reasoning as possible. I'm at a range of 165-170 with logical reasoning varying from -10 to -6.

Difficult strengthen + required assumption questions are the ones I usually get wrong in logical reasoning, with some occasional flaw questions. I've tried negating the argument, but I don't think it works well for me and my mindset. With strengthen I usually come down to a right and wrong answer yet pick the wrong one. The flaw questions I get wrong I recognize the general source of the flaw yet I pick an answer with similar yet incorrect phrasing of the flaw. Any help/advice?

Thank you!

I've found my LR scores took a hit ever since I began adopting time management strategies like skipping and doing the first 15 questions in 15 minutes. When I go back and look at the ones I missed the correct answer is typically clear but under timed conditions I'm often not even circling these questions! Am I simply moving too fast? I want to learn how to skip effectively but so far it hasn't helped.

I know selection games are not very common on recent LSAT tests, unless they're hybrid games, but I wanted to get some practice with them. If possible, can anyone tell me where I can find a list of each selection game present in all previous LSAT practice tests? Or what should I use to get the best practice on selection games?

Hello, all

I have my test scheduled for November 2018 and plan to apply December 2018

The schools I want to apply to have acceptance score averages of about 156.

At the moment I have only taken like 4 PT's and my scores ranged from 141-144. My BR has ranged from 149-151.

I obviously have not taken enough practice tests and I wonder if anyone can tell me straight up if I will have enough time to at least bump up my score to 150 by November. Also since i have taken only 4 PT's, is that like an accurate measure as to what I can aspire to score in the coming months?

Also how many PT's should I be doing a week?

Gracias!

What is everyone doing to prepare? Would anyone recommend taking a PT on Sunday (the day before) or leaving that day to clear your head?

Why is the answer to this question, D? The passage says that they sold the product for free, so how are we to know whether this includes shipping and handling? Is B not a more appropriate answer?

Explanation: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-4-question-24/

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I've noticed that there are some LR question stems I can't identify. Can anyone help me out?

-Which one of the following principles is best illustrated by the study described above?

-Each of the following assignments of computer programmers is consistent both with the principle expressed by Vanessa and with the principle expressed by Jo EXCEPT:

-Which one of the following principles, if valid, most helps to justify the consumer advocate's argumentation?

I came across these two questions while I was practicing rules translation in sequencing LG and I can't seem to understand what "disallowing/allowing ties" mean:

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I know both seem the same when translated but I want to know what ties really mean in game rules and if they make any difference in translation.

I also did not get another example that I came through in translation:

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Why isn't it R... ___G? isn't the red card the one behind the grey car which means comes before?

I would appreciate any help with these three examples.

I'm in the process of fool proofing the games from PT 1-35. I'm only on PT 3 but I was wondering if it's ok to watch the explanation first, which is what I've been doing. Once I get more experience I plan to attempt the games on my own but for now is it ok to watch the explanation first? I've been averaging about 2 - 4 tries to foolproof a single game.

Anyone have an opinion on this Florida law school. I’m considering whether I accept admission. Last was 150. Pro vs cons any welcome. Gpa of 3.65

Can someone please provide me advice as to how to tackle these questions. I am getting really discouraged because I cannot map out the logic for the question stems or if I do map out my logic paraphrase doesn't match the answer. When I was doing the quizzes in the lessons it was clicking for me but when I got to the actual lsat problems I am starting to struggle and I am really struggling with mapping out the logic.

So in some of the 7-8 question RC passages I'm getting -0 or -1, and in others, I'm getting -4 or -5-- even on the passages I find moderately interesting. The problem is that I really think that my answers are correct while I'm choosing them. Any suggestions?

Hi everyone,

I am really struggling with Parallel Method of Reasoning Questions. I just finished the CC lessons on it and I feel like I still don't have them down in terms of timing and/or the method. I feel like I spend way too much time on them and I am considering skipping them when I see them on the real test so that I don't let them turn into a time-suck.

Interestingly enough, on my diagnostic I got all 2 of the Parallel Method questions correct...so idk why these problem sets are such a struggle. It often feels as if I don't even understand what the stimulus is trying to tell me...like I get confused and stressed by these questions.

Thoughts? Advice? Opinion on skipping these questions?

Either way, I think I'll come back to these lessons in a couple of weeks when I feel like I've thoroughly forgotten them...

I’ve been using low res summaries , drilling timed and untimed . And developing an annotation strategy . My rc score keeps going up and down (I know this can depend on the passages ) . I seem to struggling the most with Law / science passages . How were y’all able to implement a consistent score with rc ? I’ve also been keeping track of reasoning errors. I know some people swear by reading material other then rc but I did some research it seems like a waste of time because rc passages are structured a certain way . Feel free to challenge that !

Hi all! I have been studying for the LSAT for a while, and recently switched from doing PT in the 50's to the 70's. Unfortunately, my scores dropped from 170-173 to mid 160's. My reading comp took the biggest hit. I used to miss 0-2 in reading comp, but it definitely got significantly harder. Feeling a little beaten down, does anyone have any advice on how to pick back up? I am missing about 7 per section now. I am thinking of maybe leaving the comparative passage for last? The questions definitely got a lot tougher in the more recent tests...

Any and all advice/personal experiences moving from older to newer tests is greatly appreciated!

So other than BRing PTs, I’ve also started keeping an ongoing list of LR questions I got wrong and going over those when I get a chance. Do you think reviewing RCs you’ve taken before but had trouble with again is helpful at all? Or are you sort of tainted from the fact that you’re already familiar with the passage? Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks in advance!

I just find it more efficient in a lot of cases. Perhaps there is an additional premise, I'll wrrite in just a couple inferences and know the answer. So I'll often just erase the few elements I wrote in to use the "empty" game board for the proceeding questions. Why is erasing so negatively spoken of? How many of you do it anyway?

Does anyone have any cheat sheets for the Logic group 1-4 and logic in general?

Does anyone have tips on how to attack these sort of questions?

Also, what category of questions does this particular type of question belong to? I'm trying to find it on the curriculum but I'm not sure where to look.

Thanks ahead of time!

I would say I am at the point where indicators and making diagrams has become second nature for me. But, this particular problem has my mind going in a loop. Logic makes more sense to me when I understand why certain negations are valid--i.e. DeMorgan’s Law and proofs. So any explanation for this example would be helpful.

"G cannot be cleaned until F is cleaned, unless F is cleaned second."

I will explain my reasoning so that one is able to point to my error.

To me, I view this problem in two parts, before the comma and after. Before the comma, using until as a group three indicator would cancel out the cannot, thus making the conditional G --- F. As for after the comma, I choose to use the unless portion (group three) to negate the previously stated relationship (G --- F). The negation of the sufficient condition of G before F would make it F before G -----> F2

My diagram would look like this. (F ---- G) ----> F2

Somehow this is wrong and I think it has to do with using three indicators instead of two, specifically hinging on the "until" term.

So my question is 1) is it wrong to use until as an indicator here and 2) when and how can I know to use an indicator or not.

Thank you so much!

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading BR calls for PT 84 (June 2018 LSAT).

There will be four sessions total. Two for S2.LR and two for S3.LR.

All sessions will start at 7:30p and end at 9:30p ET.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Please wear headphones and try to be in a quiet place.

How should I prepare?

Take PT 84 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask everyone is which questions they'd like to BR.

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