Hey all! I find that often during BR for LR I am still stuck between 2 answers, so I'm wondering what everyone does to try and push through to the correct answer choice while in BR. Do you look up an explanation of the question/JYs video without looking at the answer or look through your notes for help? Or do you just push through without looking at other sources?

But if anyone has any tips on how they BR LR that would be awesome to know as I find BR LR very tiring haha!

Thanks everyone!!

So im going deeper and deeper into concepts and working on cookie cutters. Is there any situation where it would be appropriate to assume a cause from a correlation?

Does anyone know if LSAC has banned the Perfect Score Watch? I am aware that recently they had banned certain watches so I just wanted to be sure.

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What are some helpful tips for reading carefully in the LR section while trying to finish all the questions in the allotted time. I understand you should master all question types to help speed up the process, but all that flies out the window once the timer starts

Do you first identify where the part in question is located in the stimulus? Is this waste of time?

What's the most efficient way to attack AP Qs?

Hi all,

I have a question on how I am supposed to read a certain rule in sequencing games. The fifth rule in this game states: Each rock classic is immediately preceded on the CD by a new composition. I wrote it out as [ R -> NR ]

Looking at 7sage's explanation for this question, this rule limits the first spot to only N, because if you put R in the first spot you would be forcing an N to a zero spot, which is a contradiction.

I am actually quite puzzled by this rule because in an earlier PT (PT20 S3 Game 3), such mechanics did not apply. Rule 1 of this game states: If a purple bead is adjacent to a yellow bead, any bead that immediately follows and any bead that immediately precedes that pair must be red. I wrote this rule out as [ (PY or YP) -> R (YP or PY) R ]. Then similarly wouldn't YP or PY not able to go to the first and second spots, as this would force a R to a zero spot? But clearly, Question 13 allows P to be placed at first and Y to be second.

Why do these similar rules force out different restrictions? Is there something I am missing? Thanks in advance!

Heya everyone new to 7Sage. My studying is going great, but I don't understand how to apply the diagramming concept to the actual question any suggestions?

Hey 7sagers! Happy studying to all.

Throughout the curriculum, JY talked about four LR question types that are usually so formulaic that they can become "freebies". I think he put SA, MBT, PMOR, and PFMOR in this category. I am noticing that these questions, especially when the stimulus seems long and daunting, make me have a mini heart attack lol. I want to overcome this weakness and turn it into a strength.

For those that attack these question types with confidence and accuracy, what did you do to get to that point? I want to redo all problem sets for the question types but don't know what to do aside from that.

Thanks you guys are the best!

Cheers,

CP

So now that I understand logic games, I'm obsessed with them. However I just wanted to get some opinions on how many logic games I should drill a week? This past two days I've mastered a game each day. Is that too many or does that sound okay to do moving forward?

I haven't taken very many full prep tests yet, but so far I'm noticing in my trends that I am overall improving in LG and RC, but my LR gets worse when I'm working in newer PT's (tests in the 60s and maybe 50s also). It's really frustrating because as I'm doing the questions, I feel ok about them. But then during BR I'm seeing how many I got wrong and it's not usually any particular question type or any one reason I'm getting it wrong. I'm a little all over the board. I don't seem to have this problem with earlier tests though (30s and 40s). Any insight to the evolution of the LR questions? Have they just gotten harder? More sneaky answers? It's so frustrating to see my score actually going down over time because I'm bombing those so hard! Argh.

Hey all.

I did PT 71 today and ran into some rule substitution questions. I've found these questions to either be really easy (intuitive) or really hard, without there really being a middle ground. Like J.Y. said in his video on Rule Substitution questions, a lot of the times it feels like I just get it or I don't.

On PT 71, I didn't really get it. I narrowed it down to two answer choices. This time I decided to take a more systematic approach.

I redrew my entire game board substituting for the new rule to see if I got the same inferences.

This method got me to the right answer, but I will say it took A LOT of time, more than I think was worth it (felt rushed the rest of the section).

Does anyone have more efficient systematic approaches to these types of questions? Or should I just train myself to be faster and redrawing the game board? Or should I just guess lol?

Hey yall (from Texas),

I am registered for the September LSAT, but I am wondering what yall think about pushing

I am doing 0 LG and -1 to -3 on RC. However, for LR I range from 0/-1 to -5/-6 but usually -3 each section. Therefore, I am ranging from 168 to 174ish. The variance I mostly attribute to time on LR. I get done with my round 1 with only about 2 minutes usually. My blind review is almost always 176-178, and I don't see any major trends as far as missing question types. My thesis is that I have the fundamentals--my variance is due to speed.

However, I have been out of school for four years now, so I work all day and then come home and study. I don't feel like I have the time necessary to get more time on LR sections before the September test to get more consistency on each LR section. I am most concerned about the range I am seeing. I know I am fully capable of mid 170s (and I don't see the point of pushing up into my theoretical maximum). BUT I don't want to score in the 160s just because I went too slow on one LR section or had a bad day.

I always hear it is better to apply earlier rather than later for T14 schools because of scholarships. However, would it be better for me to foolproof LR and get a 173ish in December or have a bad day and get a 168ish in December??

Also, tips on improving speed? I am already videoing my LR takes. A friend recommended using an interval timer and doing questions from the question bank at a level 1 difficulty in under 40 seconds, level 2 50 seconds, level 3 65 seconds, level 4/5: 80 seconds but then forcing myself to skip if I take longer than the limit to train myself to take the appropriate amount of time on each question difficulty type. Thoughts?

Namaste peeps,

This may already be out there so bare with me. As great as the videos and explanations for Games on the CC are, I have a hard time with space and sub-game boards with individual questions (right now I'm practicing with PT 33 Game 3). It's hard for me not to erase and/or I just run out of space. I'm practicing on a separate piece of paper just for the sake of learning. If there is a video (or videos) where certain games are done in pencil, that would amazing. It would help to see how someone writes everything in the space provided, including master game boards, conditional chains AND the specific questions without confusing themselves with there own handwriting (like me).

Bless y'all.

I just started studying for the December exam with 7sage (I did take it once before tho) and will also start working on my PS, DS, resume and other components of the applications. Does anyone who works full-time have advice on how to balance the time I spend studying with app prep these next two months so it doesn't affect my LSAT prep? I won't get my score until Jan. 4th but I'd like to send my apps as early as possible.

ALSO, my GPA is just average (3.5) but I know my LSAT score reach a 165-170. Should I still send my apps without my score (or will they get automatically turned down due to my GPA?)

Thanks so much!

Alright, 7Sagers. I asked for help on LG and got some great advice and improved vastly. Now we have almost two weeks until the Sept LSAT and my LR needs some serious help. I am currently in phase 2 of the process, where I tend to do much better in BR than in timed test conditions. I am currently intensively reviewing the CC and have used the analytics to identify which areas are my most common issues. I tend to eliminate the 3 most obvious wrong answers almost immediately, but then I choose the wrong answer between the 2 left over maybe half the time. Pseudo/Sufficient Assumption, Parallel Method of Reasoning, and some of those higher level analytical questions I struggle with most consistently. Any tips? Support? Suggested therapists???

Hello all!

I am coming close to getting where I want to on my test after many trials and tribulations. I want to drill the top 3, or top 4 question types that I am missing on the LR questions over the next two weeks. The question types are flaw, MSS, NA, and PSA. I was wondering what were the best resources out there for this type of drilling. I looked at amazon and there were so many different books to choose from I wasn't sure which to pick! Thanks!

So some of you may have seen a discussion I posted about a week ago saying, "I'm never going to get this so what's our worst case scenario lbr." I got some encouragement from our 7sage community and also my husband and friends - took a day off, and got back to it! The update is I just drilled 5 assorted games in 33 minutes and went -3, but -0 in BR. Considering last week I went -13 on two games in 35 minutes, that is a MAJOR improvement. How did I do it? I allowed myself to go slowly (I know, whattttttt), as slowly as I needed to. I watched the videos and did about 4 or 5 games PER day minimum, all different. I wouldn't say I had an epiphany one day, I'd equate it to more of a slow adjustment to a cold swimming pool. But the point is, it can be done. Diligence, patience, and being kind to yourself - these are so important. I used the test question bank as well as some prep test sections and drilled until one day I used a stopwatch and lo and behold I was clocking in less than 7 minutes per game. You can do it! You will do it! Actually, you HAVE to do it! So don't get discouraged, hold your head high, and you'll live to infer another day. (3 (3(/p)

I would think that both of these words would be written as "most" in formal logic. Is this correct? Or would generally just be "some"?

Hi everyone,

I have been drilling the games and I am currently working on spatial games. I don't know if this has helped anyone, but this trick certainly has helped me. I started doing subscripts on my game board. For example, if we are trying to place lions or tigers on the game board (like the game in PT16), I spent a little more time in the beginning to do that. I was careful to make sure that my game board wasn't too messy. The questions were super easy and I got the game right and with high confidence. Just wanted to let everyone know in case this trick helps others too! :)

I am wondering if anyone would have any advice for choosing the right answer for these questions. This used to be a question type that went well for me but lately it seems like I keep getting them wrong. Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, how did go about answering these question types correctly again? Any general strategies for this question type would be really helpful. Thank you!

Hey All,

So I have an issue regarding this question and would love some input.

P1: Cholesterol is a known factor in coronary heart disease and stroke.

P2: Cholesterol needs a carrier, known as lipoprotein to transport it through the bloodstream.

P3: Low-density lipoproteins (LDLs) increase the risk of coronary heart disease and stroke.

P4: Aerobics exercise increases ones high-density lipoproteins (HDL).

P5: HDL levels are higher in women than in men.

P6: Both aerobic exercise and being female are positively correlated with lower risk of coronary heart disease and stroke.

C: Therefore, we can tentatively conclude that HDLs help prevent coronary heart disease and stroke.

Humor me for a moment. If I told you that "Food is a known factor in obesity", what can we logically infer from that? That food plays some sort of role in obesity. We cannot say that the lack of food, surplus of food, or type of food is the problem because we don't know more than the fact that food is a relevant component to this condition. We would need to bring in our outside knowledge of obesity to know that it's typically the surplus of food that is the contributing factor. This reasoning is what is going on in my head during this question, and is why A was so attractive to me.

A- I chose A because the argument never said that the presence of cholesterol is a contributing factor in coronary heart disease and stroke. P1 says that it is a factor, but without allowing outside knowledge into our reasoning, based on just the information we are given, we can only really conclude that cholesterol plays some sort of role. Maybe that role is that high cholesterol contributes to coronary heart disease and stroke, or maybe its that low cholesterol does? Or maybe only certain types do? I figured this question was playing on our outside knowledge of cholesterol, because the argument that we are given never says that high cholesterol is what is bad. It just says cholesterol in general is some sort of factor. P1 would need to say something like "Cholesterol is a known contributor in coronary heart disease and stroke." Or even "High cholesterol is a known factor..." would be better.

(Outside info- HDLs are considered good cholesterol. So why would excreting good cholesterol from the body necessarily be a good thing? I'm sure there is a scientifically sound answer to this but, in terms of the LSAT, what's relevant is the major assumption here.)

B- I didn't have a problem eliminating B

C- I see why this is the correct answer...I just couldn't quite come to terms with A.

D- I didn't have a problem eliminating D.

E- I didn't have a problem eliminating E.

Thanks in advance.

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In light of @"marvin.dike" and his post, I want to make this available to anyone that might miss it. David Killoran from PowerScore tweeted this a while ago. The LSAC sounds like they are going to accommodate you in every way they can. Stay safe, thoughts go out to you all!

I find myself spending hours researching schools and looking at their median LSATs and class profiles, creating 100 scenarios in my head of how likely i'll be admitted if I improve by x point. and of course I watch every video posted on every school's YouTube channel. I know it's unproductive and I'm just procrastinating studying. :( anyone else does this?

Hey everybody,

So i'm encountering a strange phenomenon in RC. First off, I've officially succeeded in getting a -0 in an RC passage. If anyone remembers my RC scores from before, you know this is a HUGE improvement. I believe I was landing in the -15 before. Now here is the issue, since i've now been able to get -0 several times i've started trying to do multiple passages in a row to improve stamina (untimed). As the passages go on, I just seem to be getting worst and worst and worst. My first passage is a -0 and by the last one i'm right back at a bad RC person. Has anyone else had issues with stamina before? Any tips/tricks/advice for building up my tolerance (lol) for RC and maintaining my performance?

When answering these types of questions, should we pay attention to the content or substance of the answers, or only to the form?