Hi everyone!

I'm kind of stuck with a few good offers, but a lot of silence.

Full scholarships from ASU and IU. (Took Feb. LSAT so I know I'm late to the game.)

Complete silence from: BU, Georgetown, Vandy, UVA, BC, UW. Has anyone else NOT heard from these schools? Afraid of what the silence means.

For some background, currently enrolled in undergrad at Purdue, hoping to work in foreign affairs or for a multinational corporation. Brother in Boston. Parents retiring in Phoenix. S/O in Seattle. Vandy/Georgetown were my reaches, but it looks like I could get in, given their LSN profiles.

Hello all, I hope everyone's studies are going well. I am wondering if it is worth it to purchase the older preptests that are currently sitting in my cart online. Everyday I browse through the discussion board and I believe ran into somebody advising to fool proof all the logic games from 1-35 to help with making inferences. I have really taken my time going through the curriculum because I work a very demanding and hectic full time job and plan to finish by the end of April and complete at least 20+ preptests before the planned target test date of September. I was originally going to complete the newer preptests (60+) and save the older ones for drilling along with the problem sets I have also saved. Through really taking my time with the curriculum I am getting more accurate and faster at completing LR and RC questions everyday, and I heard the key to really boosting your score is to become great at LG. I really want a LSAT score of 160+ to give myself the best chance at my dream law schools and if buying the older preptests is worth it I will definitely do so. I appreciate any insight anybody could offer,thank you in advance.

Hi I was just watching JY's video on grouping games set up 1.

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/grouping-game-1-game-board-setup/

I'm wondering why "neither nor" in rule 3 is interpreted as not both, as in S -> /Y , and W->/Y.

Why can't it be interpreted as biconditional? S (-) /Y as in S and Y are always apart.

Is it because unlike the in-out games, a biconditional in this a grouping game means that if, for example, Y is not in 1,then S must be 1? (which would be an incorrect inference given that there are more group options now)

If that's the case, if this game was an in/out game, could I still interpret the rule as a biconditional?

Many thanks in advance

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-63-section-3-question-21/

I'm trying to understand this passage fully...

I thought the data on the effects of the weed-killer would be misleading when it was drawn from studies of the weed-killer under a variety of soil condition because the effectiveness fluctuates. That's why I chose (D). I thought the premise was telling us how soil conditions ruin the data.

After watching J.Y.'s video I now (sort of) get (D) actually weakens the argument, but can someone help me understand why my thought process (above) is wrong?

Also why is this not a necessary assumption question? I think the argument has jumped from one idea (the molecules of a certain weed killer) to another (the data on the effects).

One of my friends would participate in coming May. It's called "Digital LSAT Pilot Test".

Hello everyone! I am new to 7Sage. Could someone please tell me where I can find the actual facts/questions explained in the videos?

Hey 7sagers! I am wondering if anyone can provide me with some advice on where to go from here in LR...

LR might be my worst section and I am having so much difficulty improving. It's not that a particular type of question gets me (in fact I tend to actually be better at the more technical lawgic based types like flawed parallel method of reasoning), it just seems that I am getting the majority of the answers wrong from questions 15-22 across every section. Often times I will misunderstand the stimulus or I will understand what the stimulus is implying and what to pick in the answer choice but will get confused about the wording in the answer choices and end up picking the wrong one. Note: English is my first language, I read extensively and have an MA degree and wrote a thesis paper. Is there any way to improve, or is it simply a matter of doing a ton of LR questions?

I have gone through the CC once and paid close attention to every different type of LR question while taking extensive notes, but it was a couple of months ago. Would a refresher be useful? I also have every LSAT from PT 1-75 and the accompanying Kaplan Explanations, so I began doing sections from early PTs untimed while taking notes on my computer to map out my reasoning, but am not seeing results, although it is still early (I have only done about three sections).

Any recommendations on where to go from here? Everyone provided me with amazing LG advice and I have been doing very well in that section so thank you to anyone who is reading this who helped me in that area, it feels great and I can confirm that the fool proof method is sound.

I will also be joining in the online study group for PT 70 this Saturday!

Thanks!

Specifically, what are some of the underlying traits that trip so many of us up? Grammar? Plurarlity of terms? AC order?

How do you improve upon these underlying traits? Marking up the stimulus? Check the conclusions in each AC first?

I have some thoughts on the matter, but I'd like to see what ya'll think.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-2-question-15/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-23-section-3-question-23/

Hi all! I just wanted to know if any of you suggest finishing the course and THEN completing PT's along with the Blind Review as opposed to doing PT's WHILE going through the course. Thanks and happy studying!

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading BR calls for PT 80 (December 2016 LSAT).

I'm holding 9 sessions total. 3 for each of LR 1, LR 2, and RC. Each session will focus on only one section of PT 80. All sessions will start at 7p EST and end at 10p. Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's various schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Please wear headphones and try to be in a quiet place.

How should I prepare?

Take PT 80 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask everyone is which questions they'd like to BR.

Next Session

[no more sessions]

7p - 10p EST

Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.

https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/886067949

You can also dial in using your phone.

United States: +1 (646) 749-3112

Access Code: 886-067-949

First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: https://care.citrixonline.com/g2m/getready

Future Sessions

[no more sessions]

Obtaining PT 80

If you have an Ultimate+ account, you will be able to view and print PT 80 under the Syllabus. You can also purchase PT 80 as an add-on to your existing course here.

Alternatively, you can purchase the paper copy of LSAT PT 80 on Amazon here.

Past Sessions

5/18 Thursday - Section 1 - LR

5/19 Friday - Section 4 - LR

5/20 Saturday - Section 2 - RC, Passages 1 and 3

5/21 Sunday - Section 1 - LR

5/22 Monday - Section 4 - LR

5/23 Tuesday - Section 2 - RC, Passages 2 and 4

5/24 Wednesday - Section 1 - LR

5/25 Thursday - Section 4 - LR

5/26 Friday - Section 2 - RC

Hello , I'm finding myself having a hard time staying motivated unfortunately . I work a 4 tour rotating shift scheduled job and sometimes lose my focus and motivating to study . Anyone have any advice to keep yourself motivated / focused on studying hard while maintain a full time job with a ridiculous work schedule ?

I need encouragement. I did so bad on my first preptest (139) and really want to reach 160. I work full time and just quit my part-time job so I can focus more on the LSAT. I currently try and study about 3 hours a day minimum and 5 hours a day mininmum on the weekends. I just ended the curriculum but with this score I'm feeling like I didn't learn anything (which I hope isn't true). My PT schedule currently is:

Saturdays: Preptest at 12PM

Sundays- Friday: Blind review/ Review my answers/ Understand what I got wrong

Saturdays: Repeat

I want to finish my review of my preptest tonight so I can start drilling the types of problems I'm getting wrong. Any success stories simliar to mine? I WAS thinking of the June test but with this first score I'm not sure I should anymore.

I do not understand why, "'it is never acceptable to offer experimental treatments to patients who experience no extreme symptoms of the the relevant disease" is translated as no extreme symptoms (NES) -----> not acceptable to offer exp. treatment (/AOET).

If we negate the necessary - wouldn't that be 'it is sometimes acceptable to offer ex. trmt'. I do not grasp how just repeating what the sentence says is negating the necessary in this case? I'm having trouble in general with these 'not, never, double-negative type statements, and invariably getting them wrong. please help.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-3-question-15/

Hello guys,

So I just completed the BR on this passage, and I am still tripped up on question 1.

I understand why answer choice A is correct, expect for the bit concerning "oil companies". Can someone point me to where this is supported in the passage? or are we supposed to presume that the "researchers" are from the oil companies?

Thanks,

Kristen

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-10-section-3-passage-1-passage/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-10-section-3-passage-1-questions/

Hey guys,

A 7Sager wrote in with a question that I thought you guys could help out with! Here it is:

I recently enrolled in your program and I had a technical question to ask you about one of your lessons. I believe you covered it however just for clarification, in bi-conditionals referring to Logic Games (in/out) in specific Prep-Test 24, Section 4-Game 1. One of the rules states that Fenugreek is not included in the same recipe as Nutmeg. When I wrote out the rule, N /F, however there is another rule that ultimately connects through G N (Ginger in same recipe as Nutmeg). I wanted to ask, when you diagrammed it on your lesson, you wrote the top rule as F/N (aren't they the same?). And ultimately your chain was F/G/N however mine turned into GN/F (/N going from outside to N in the middle). So....am I wrong? Isn't just N/F and F/N contrapositives but switched around, so I guess I'm deciding which side to put my / though (If I should have negated my N or F and if it should always be on the "right side" or can it be on the "left", it's interchangeable right?, but my rule seems ultimately a little "messed" up in comparison. I could use a quick clarification. I had a question and didn't know to whom I should write, thank you very much! I could really appreciate your help!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-4-game-1/

Hey all, I took the February exam and I've decided to retake in June. I've basically taken every publicly available PT so I'm concerned I won't be able to study the same way I did for February. What do you guys typically recommend for those in this situation? I know JY advocates maintaining one's PT supply but I had hoped I would only need to take the exam once. Sigh. Anyway, given where I am now how would you all suggest I study? I don't consciously remember the answers to the vast majority of questions, though I'm sure there's an unconscious element to it.

Let me know what you all think.

Really appreciate what you guys do here.

I can't call this "sage advice" since I'm not a sage, but here goes it:

After intensive prep this past fall, I scored a 169 on the December LSAT. Despite being very good at LR and RC, I had a fundamental LG weakness. I probably got 8 wrong on LG, plus 6 wrong on the other 3 sections combined.

My brain is naturally geared for all things verbal, but it's nothing special when it comes to visual tasks like LG.

For the rest of December and most of January, I took a break from LSAT. When I got back into it, I just drilled LG 4 days per week. I fool proofed everything from the earliest PT book (10 actual), including a lot of weird games. I also foolproofed the LG in the core curriculum.

All I can say is that it made a big difference. Last week I did my first PT (#42) in 3 months --- scored 170. The LR & RC skills had eroded a bit, but LG was much better. Today I did another PT (#43) -- scored 177, which is several points better than I've ever done on a PT. Not having a "bad section" is a game changer.

I didn't repeat games to the same extent that JY recommends -- I found that doing the game once, watching the video, and doing it a couple more times is usually enough for me to remember the inferences. But his broader point (remembering the inferences) still stands. I'm glad I put in the LG work (like many here on 7sage have already done in the past) and am looking forward to the June LSAT.

I am finishing up the core curriculum in the next week or two and I am wondering what I should do the days I am not taking a PT or blind reviewing. I am debating if I should work through PT 1-35 section by section to get a mix of question rather than drilling specific question types. The second option is that I purposefully did not do all of the problem sets throughout the core curriculum so I could have them to do if I needed to address specific weaknesses. I also plan on fool proofing all logic games while taking PT's. Any input on what your strategy was would be greatly appreciated!

Hey 7sage!

I took my first PT and got 161 3 weeks ago. I thought it'd be a good idea to take PT's every other day, until I learned about how harmful that may be, then I slowed down and reviewed/drilled more vigorously.

Since then, I've taken two PT's and stayed at 161 with a BR of 167/168. I am improving BR and being more vigilant about circling and taking time, but I'm still improving and it can be evidently higher.

Nonetheless, I am very discouraged about my lack of progression. I did the curriculum and I don't have one specific facet of LR that I struggle with. What I'm having trouble with is finishing LR sections, keeping focus during the LR and not freaking out halfway through. Basically, I begin getting really anxious and make stupid mistakes that compound like a snowball. LG is usually okay (timing is sometimes off) and my RC, initially my best section, is decreasing in performance because of the previous LR section that throws me off mentally.

Any words of advice and encouragement would be appreciated. I feel like I can do this but I'm having a hard time breaking through. My goal is 170+ for June.

What if I purchase the Ultimate package then decide I want the Ultimate Plus package, can I upgrade?

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading another twelve-hour long LR workshop (#6) over four nights (three hours per night) for seven students to provide an intensive and comprehensive overview of all foundational concepts and their application to all types of LR questions.

Schedule

Session 1 - May 5, Friday, 7-10pm PST (10pm-1am EST)

Session 2 - May 6, Saturday, 7-10pm PST (10pm-1am EST)

Session 3 - May 7, Sunday, 7-10pm PST (10pm-1am EST)

Session 4 - May 8, Monday, 7-10pm PST (10pm-1am EST)

Cost

Free. But! There's a $150 deposit to reserve your spot. If you show up on time and participate for the entire duration of all sessions, your deposit will automatically be refunded fully at the end of the workshop. Otherwise, it is forfeit. Please make sure you can attend the entire 12 hour long workshop.

#Frequently Asked Questions

Q: How will you select which five students will participate?

A: Lottery. If you are interested, please comment below in this thread within 48 hours. If selected for the lottery, you'll have another 48 hours to place the deposit to reserve your spot.

Q: Who should take this workshop and what will be covered?

A: Beginners. This means you haven't finished the Core Curriculum yet and you're not starting to take PrepTests yet. Imagine the workshop as a fast paced overview of the entire Core Curriculum that pertains to LR. We'll cover theory and we'll apply that theory to actual LSAT questions. It will be highly interactive and hence the limit of four students. Wherever you are in the Core Curriculum, this a great way to solidify the concepts covered.

Q: Can I sign up even if I'm not a beginner?

A: Yes, you can. I'm certain that it'll benefit you to return to concepts covered in the Core Curriculum. I'm also certain that you will find it very slow at times since I will be speaking to students on the assumption that they are beginners.

Q: Do I need to have a paid 7Sage account to sign up?

A: Yes, you do. If you have an expired account, message Dillon and see if he's willing to reactivate it for you.

Q: What materials are used in this workshop?

A: The workbook that you will be provided with will contain LR questions from PrepTests 54, 55, and 56. Yes, we will be "burning" those PrepTests in order to get a closer look at the modern LSAT.

Q: What do I need to do to prepare for the workshop if I get in?

A: You should print the above mentioned workbook. You should be in a quiet space where you can talk freely. You should have a fast internet connection. You should have headphones or earphones ready.

Q: How do I attend the workshop?

A: The workshop will be hosted on Amazon's Chime. Instructions and meeting location will be sent to you once you've successfully registered.

Q: Will there be more workshops in LR / LG / RC in the future?

A: Yes. This session accommodates east coasters who work during the day. Future sessions will accommodate others.

Hi!

I was down to answers C and E and wasn't sure why E would be a better choice than C and vice versa.

I did watch JY's video and still have trouble figuring this out.

C- I thought this was supported by line 2-4. Wouldn't "word processors, spreadsheets, legal research systems" be counted as as legal research tools? I interpreted C as the computerized automated legal reasoning systems not being able to fulfill its original expectations and functions.

E- This is supported by line 55-58. However, I thought that the wording "computer specialists" is too narrow to capture the idea in E. That's why I hesitated.

What makes E better supported by C? Because I see both as textually supported.

Please let me know!

Thanks.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-2-passage-4-passage/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-2-passage-4-questions/

Hi All,

I'm planning on taking this test (I work more than full time but travel schedule/work life generally slows in the summer) and looking for people to study with/BR with/generally exchange motivation with in the larger LA area. Online or in person!

Any takers?

Hi everyone! I just finished my curriculum and planning on taking the June LSAT. What study schedules have worked for you and have made you successful? I'm finding it difficult to get into a rhythm

Hey everyone, I hope everyone had an awesome day!

I'm currently in a huge slump.. So about a month or two ago, I finally broke a barrier and scored a 151 (157 BR), but then my last three PT's have been a 146, 139, and 143 (I'm still using the PT's in the 40's). It sucks because I know I'm capable of doing this despite my scores being below average, and because I BR in the +150's, but these last three have been a bummer.

I am a full-time elementary teacher, I've been studying since last summer, and I feel like i'm losing momentum and dragging this thing too long. I'm not in a rush to take in June unless I miraculously around my goal of 155+, so i'm currently eyeing September to apply and be enrolled Fall 18', but I would hate to push back yet another year.

Any suggestions or advice? Anything helps. Thanks in advance, I know I can always count on the 7Sage community.