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Any current graduate students that's studying for the LSAT? What is your weekly schedule like? Do you feel that you are getting adequate LSAT prep time? By the way, I'm planning on taking either the June or September 2017 LSAT.
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I took the Dec. 3rd LSAT at CUNY Law in Long Island City, NY. Here is a brief synopsis of the testing facility experience:
- The location is right next to a subway stop for the E, M, and 7 trains.
- The building was clean, modern, and well-equipped.
- Approx. 120-150 people showed up and were split into 3 different rooms, based on last names.
- I was in a 2nd floor lecture hall that had long desks (no partitions) and they sat students in every-other-chair. There was plenty of room for my test booklet, answer sheet, and elbows.
- The room was quiet, comfortable, and ideal in every way for test-taking.
- The proctors were a group of 4-5 older women. They were prompt, courteous, and did everything correctly and by-the-book.
- I will likely re-take in June of 2017 and will definitely choose this testing site again.
I hope that helps, everyone. Good luck on future LSATs.
Folks, I am finally done with the LSAT!!! But that means I need to shift gears and start to focus on the second part of my JD/MBA application - the GMAT. What courses do people recommend? Are there any good free resources out there?
I haven't done a ton of research yet since I was really focused on the LSAT and I've only heard of Manhattan GMAT. ANybody has any thoughts on this company? Are there better courses/resources out there?
Thank you for any insight!
Would you take the test here again?
Yes! In fact I have registered for the Feb 2017 exam at the same location. I can't really imagine a more perfect LSAT test location (maybe something that's closer to me?). I had a good experience here on test day.
Proctors:
They were friendly, fair, and mostly competent. The main proctor in my room did forget to do a 5-minute warning on the first section, but I have no reason to believe this would be an issue in the future.
Facilities:
The campus and the building looked brand new. Everything was comfortable. The bathrooms were located directly outside our classroom, which made things less confusing during the break.
What kind of room:
Lecture-type class room, with rows of long tables. It was very well lit with natural light filtering in through the windows.
How many in the room:
I think there were about 50-60 test takers in my room.
Desks:
Long desks rather than individual desks, which allowed for plenty of space. Chairs were very comfortable and their height was easily adjustable.
Left-handed accommodation:
I can't speak to this, but given what the desks looked like I think it was probably good?
Noise levels:
No problem here - it was quiet, with no noticeable outside noise. One test taker had a cough.
Parking:
I didn't drive to the site so can't speak to this.
Time elapsed from arrival to test:
We started the test at about 9:30am. I arrived a little before 8am, and check-in began at 8:30am.
Date[s] of Exam[s]:
Saturday, December 3, 2016
Proctors:
Good, quick, efficient.
Facilities:
Pretty much brand new building, brand new desks, chairs etc. In Tribeca, which means it's pretty much silent on a Saturday morning in the area
What kind of room:
Open plan lecture hall
How many in the room:
Around 40
Desks:
Full large rectangular tables, one to each student. Couldn't have run out of space for my test materials if I had tried.
Left-handed accommodation:
Huge desks to each person
Noise levels:
Low
Parking:
New York...
Time elapsed from arrival to test:
One hour
Irregularities or mishaps:
None
Other comments:
I originally landed with Pace as my test center, but switched here because it was four blocks from my apartment. I would highly recommend this test center for anyone taking their test in New York. Made the whole test so much better to have a full table, ample space in the room, and low noise levels.
Would you take the test here again?
Ha - would I take the test again...? But yes, if forced to retake the LSAT this is the only center I would take it at now.
Date[s] of Exam[s]:
December 2016
If you took the September LSAT how do you feel you did on December? Better or worse?
I took the test at a large, public university. I estimate a couple hundred people were tested in two large auditoriums with ample table space for each test taker.
I was one of the lucky twenty-five sent to a classroom with the little L-shaped desks that fold up in order for you to stand or sit. The folding ones are smaller than those used in high school, and they also force you to lean up and hunch over whenever writing. The entire writing space was approximately one test booklet tall, and 16 inches across. An open, unfolded test booklet would not fit onto the desk. Having assisted in administration of secondary school national tests, I am fairly certain that the room also failed to meet the minimum distance between test takers requirement.
As several other test-takers pointed out, it was literally impossible for us to adhere to the instructions that nothing should be below desk level while taking the test.
When several people complained, the test director came in and said, "I know you don't have a lot of room and that it's tight. I get complaints about this room every time, but it's the only room I could get in the building. If you want to cancel, I'll let you." This is basically, 'Screw you. What are you going to do about it?', and the fact that he alluded to previous administrations complaining about it only made me more livid.
I had to constantly flip the folded test booklet back and forth, as did everyone else in the room. It did not matter on LR and RC, but it noticeably slowed progress on LG. I would have gladly driven an hour to get an adequate testing center, but I know I was not one of the last twenty-five registrants. What is the best way to inform LSAC that this university of 30,000 needs to be given less testing slots, and the local director either replaced or retrained in the importance of this test to those taking it?
Everyone who tested in this room before December '16 dropped the ball and let me down, and I don't want to do the same for future test takers.
Hi everyone,
I took the recent LSAT in London. I had two LG sections on my test, and I'm currently trying to work out which one of two was the experimental section. One was moderately difficult, I finished it without much of a problem. However, the 3rd and 4th games in the other LG were ridiculously difficult (similarly to the US LSAT with two LGs - weird coincidence). I remember the 3rd game involving seven Mechanics and Inventors (not a 100% sure about the name of the second group). I don't remember much else. Please let me know if you would happen to have any information on which of the two LG sections of the London LSAT was the real one, and which one was experimental.
Thanks a lot,
Piotr
Just thought I would check in and see how everyone felt about their exam. I took in Sept and felt much more calm that time. Today I was sooooooo nervous physically that I felt like most of the test was me battling through a weird mental haze.
Overall though I feel okay. I had a misread on BOTH of my LG sections that cost me some time but I think I was able to recover somewhat. Luckily the one I was most worried about was experimental but even then I may have done better on that one (who knows).
My frustration with RC was that I felt some of the summary questions were weirdly mostly on topic but there didn't seem to be one that was definitely on topic. Those always frustrate me.
It is great to have it in the rearview mirror!
Proctors: There were three proctors. Two females and one male. The male proctor actually had his phone on and it started buzzing and ringing in the middle of the test....(and it took him a while to get to it) I thought this was very unprofessional and extremely disruptive.
The two female proctors were very friendly, forthcoming and efficient.
Facilities: Roomy. It was an auditorium lecture-style hall.
What kind of room: Lecture hall.
How many in the room: Fits probably over 100, but we were about 50 or so.
Desks: small, rectangular tables. Extremely uncomfortable.
Left-handed accommodation: Not sure.
Noise levels: Mostly quiet.
Parking: Good for students, terrible for non-students. Decal-parking close by only. I had to have my boyfriend drive me there and pick me up.
Time elapsed from arrival to test: Half hour.
Irregularities or mishaps: The room was VERY hot. Everyone was complaining that it felt like a freaking sauna in there after our break. It was seriously awful. People started to take their clothes off and it was distracting.
Other comments: I took the LSAT in that same room in '15 and did not find that the room got that hot last year. I have no clue what happened on Saturday, but it felt like they were trying to fry us (or our brains).
Would you take the test here again? Not if I don't absolutely have to.
Date[s] of Exam[s]: December 2015, December 2016.
Hey guys,
I wrote the December LSAT but i indicated that i might be writing the February lsat on my OLSAS applications (Canada). Does this mean they won't review my application until after the February results come out? Does anyone know?
Hello everyone... quick question...
I am starting to (finally) be at the point where I can get most questions on LG correct. With inn out and grouping games I am starting to get within the target range with the right accuracy....
However, for some reason, there are certain sequencing games where I just take like 3-4+ minutes too long to do them. What's helped me with speed with other games is really pre-phrasing the answer choices and knowing where to look on some games when the question is a "could" vs a "must." However, I'm still slow with certain of these games. There is just too much of me writing things out (like multiple hypothetical game boards with multiple options on each) and not enough ways to anticipate the answer choices (or maybe I'm thinking about it wrong?)
Wondering how you guys got quicker on the sequencing games ?
Thanks, love the forums here. I should post more but you guys are awesome and give such great advice and I can't match it.
Hey guys! I know a lot of you recently took the LSAT, so if you'd like to leave a review of your test center, here's a basic template you can copy.
Please make sure you're making a new thread and not posting below, since people may miss it. :)
-Make a new discussion post in the "Test Center Reviews" category and title it like this:
**[Test Center Review] Test Center, City, State/Country**
-- Include the following categories (feel free to copy/paste):
Proctors:
Facilities:
What kind of room:
How many in the room:
Desks:
Left-handed accommodation:
Noise levels:
Parking:
Time elapsed from arrival to test:
Irregularities or mishaps:
Other comments:
Would you take the test here again?
Date[s] of Exam[s]:
Examples of some well-written test center reviews:
--https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8859/test-center-review-cedarville-university
Hey guys! Here's the official December LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the December 2016 LSAT here!
Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:
We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the December '16 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.
If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.
The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.
TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about December's LSAT in detail!
Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:
Have fun discussing!
UPDATE***
Got a response back from LSAC and wanted to share in case there are people who are in the same situation as I am:
If you wish to verify or contest the machine scoring of your answer sheet after you have received your LSAT score, you may request a rescoring of your answer sheet by hand. LSAC will not handscore answers recorded in the test book. Requests to handscore your answer sheet must be made in writing and postmarked no later than 60 days after the test date.
Send a letter that includes:
* Your request for handscoring and your reason for the request
* your name, LSAC assigned identification number
* the test date
* the test center name and code number
* a $100 check or money order payable to LSAC
* your signature
If the handscoring results in a score that is different from the original machine scoring -higher or lower- the revised score will be mailed to you and the law schools to which you apply
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Has anyone misbubbled a section on the test before? I took the December test and saw that in my RC I only bubbled in 26 out of 27 questions. Unfortuantely, realized this while the proctor was collecting the answer sheets. I'm pretty sure I answered question 27, which means I skipped a question and bubbled in my answers incorrectly from then on.
I saw on other online forums that some were successful in getting their scores changed with a re-grading fee, but some were flat out denied the chance. Any advice?
So now that test day has come and gone, so have all of our anxieties.
Right?
Well, no. https://media.giphy.com/media/lNMyVfxjfzIJO/giphy.gif Now we've got a brutal wait before test scores come out. You'll estimate how you did on each section, put it all together, and come up with a score range you think you're likely to have achieved. And then you'll toss that out the window and run the whole process over again. One moment you'll be thinking optimistically, the next you'll be certain that you did even worse than you could possibly have imagined. https://media.giphy.com/media/1FMaabePDEfgk/giphy.gif I'd tell you not to do this, but you will anyway. So just know that you're being dramatic! It's normal, everyone else is doing it, and you're almost certainly wrong. Regardless, it's done with and dwelling on it won't change anything anyway. So, do as little of that as you can manage. Another thing to not drive yourself crazy with: Constantly checking and refreshing LSAC. https://media.giphy.com/media/tei52cyY5mroA/giphy.gif Scores will come when they come. You will get an email the moment your scores post, and the email will contain your score. Assuming you have some kind of notification settings on your phone, this means that the exact moment you have access to your score, you will be notified. So let's all try to be like a bunch of little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like?
So, some things to do during the wait instead of freaking out:
Applications! Get those things ready to fire off! When the scores get published, schools are going to get a wave of apps and if you can be ready to be on the front end of that, all the better. So be prepared!https://media.giphy.com/media/13HBDT4QSTpveU/giphy.gif
Friends. Remember those people from before the LSAT that you used to do things with? See what those guys are up to.
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdrYL2r9dYhpu/giphy.gif
Read. I read the whole Harry Potter series during my wait. It really helped. But you do you. What's your thing? Read all the Star Wars books or Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire or The Complete Works of Shakespeare or your favorite smutty romance novels. https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0MYtRl33WaN4HGBq/200.gif#19
Netflix. Like reading, but better! https://media2.giphy.com/media/nwleaG1TObWsE/200.gif#0
Netflix and chill. Like Netflix, but better! https://media2.giphy.com/media/lZDb2PNgLXdoA/200.gif#2
Hobbies. What are some of the things you used to enjoy doing? Do those things. Personally, I like brewing beer, camping, writing, video games, keeping up with new music, etc. Done with LSAT, I was free for the first time in a long time to engage with the things I enjoy. https://media.giphy.com/media/SE95wexIfovzq/giphy.gif
Treat yo Self. You deserve it. That one thing on your Amazon wish list that's been calling you for months now? https://media1.giphy.com/media/V9zqL1ZILNTmE/200.gif#7 That really nice bottle of wine you've been saving for an occasion? https://media3.giphy.com/media/8fn9oF6IPZoEE/200.gif#11 That really nice pair of jeans that really makes your ass look fantastic? https://media0.giphy.com/media/13SDiAmoCH2nw4/200.gif#73
So there's plenty to keep yourself occupied, but of course, your pending score will inevitably force itself to the front of your mind from time to time. And when it does, we have been there/are right there with you. So do try to be cool, but when you can't, we'll freak out and speculate with you. We're here.
What are your guys' thoughts on drilling PTs 1-10 for anything other than LG? I just drilled one of the LR sections out of PT 5 and it seemed to me to have a pretty different feel than even a PT in the later teens. Curious as to the general consensus.
I picked PT 5 randomly because I was trying to leave the PTs after 34 whole and the CC appeared to draw more heavily from the early 30s/20s.
Probably not a great time to post this considering everyone just wrote the LSAT but I just started studying (have been using the bibles) and I'm really just .. overwhelmed. LR really isn't too bad for me at all luckily. I'm certainly no master yet but it doesn't seem like a different language and I feel like that's a section I have a lot of potential in! BUT LG is literally breaking my heart
I've seen a few others who shared opinion that Game 4 was killer, but the rest of the test balanced out to about average.
I realized this morning that, in theory, even with -5 on the final game, you could hit almost any goal short of 180 on the overall test. Focus on the easy RC, LR, or whatever you found easier or no more difficult than you expected and believe that it will carry you to your goal, whether that be 155 or 175.
For this particular problem, I see how the author is making the link between stress and the way people approach and think about their problems. The correct answer choice states that refusing to think about something troubling contributes to stress, which captures this idea. However, I'm wondering why the relationship couldn't be reversed, with the refusal to think being a result rather than the cause of stress. Even after BR and reviewing the explanation, I understood that there was being link between those two concepts but didn't fully understand the direction of that causal link because the stimulus was so odd.
https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-4-question-10/
~80% of the test takers at my test center had their cell phone. Outside the testing room, a lot of people were playing on their phones. After we entered the room, the proctors told us to "turn our phones off during the test".. The desks even had "Turn phone off" stickers on them. Yet we all signed admission tickets certifying that we didn't bring our phone to the test.
Pretty frustrating to see -- per the rules, I did not bring my phone, but it would have been nice to have it during the break
Hello!
I was wondering if anyone has an experience that can shed some light on how I should move forward regarding how LSAC deals with issues that occur during testing.
Everything was running smoothly until about 8 minutes remaining in the first section. Someone who was signed up for the LSAT showed up around 9:15 am (late), claiming they were in a car accident and were told they could not write the test.
He responded poorly and consequently went on his phone right outside the testing room door screaming and directing insults and taunts at our proctor, obviously trying to intentionally sabotage/distract those writing. This went on for about 3 minutes and the proctors repeatedly told him to leave the testing area, keep his voice down, etc. Eventually he even opened the door and starting directly screaming into the room. At this point almost every test writer yelled at him to leave as well. Timer was still running at this point.
Things then escalated even further at the 5 minute warning, where he ran into the testing room and began screaming and videotaping everyone with his phone. He moved between everybody screaming loudly that he should be allowed to write and that he was being mistreated. He even grabbed a few peoples watches while they were writing and many times directly challenged various test takers, getting in their faces. This continued for about a minute, at which point the proctor paused the timer (at 3 mins 58 seconds).
Eventually security came, but he ran away only to come back into the room a few minutes later. At least at this point the timer had been paused. It then took another 10 mins or so to ensure the disruption was totally over and then another 15 mins for our proctor to call LSAC to see how to move forward. Ultimately they told him to resume where we left off (31 min mark) despite his pleas to rewind the clock to the 27 min point (or 8 mins remaining).
Aside from the obvious distraction and large loss of time, this large break also made the remaining questions difficult, especially those who had RC first. I essentially had to re-read and answer the questions for the final RC passage in 4 mins, given the distraction occurred when I was only halfway through the passage.
Would there be any benefit for me to call and complain? I am assuming they do not alter score as a result of external circumstances? I do not wish to cancel/get a refund, but would they potentially grant me free admission to the February test?
Tl;dr: Somone who was late for the LSAT ran into the classroom we were writing, screaming and videotaping people and cost us 4 mins of test writing. What should I do?
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I am not going to lie, I could see it going either way. I went with my first choice every single time, without making sure that it wasn't a trap answer. I am usually pretty good at getting around the Trap answer but you never know. The logic games definitely screwed me over and reading comprehension wasn't hard but I ran out of time on the last four questions