I haven't taken very many full prep tests yet, but so far I'm noticing in my trends that I am overall improving in LG and RC, but my LR gets worse when I'm working in newer PT's (tests in the 60s and maybe 50s also). It's really frustrating because as I'm doing the questions, I feel ok about them. But then during BR I'm seeing how many I got wrong and it's not usually any particular question type or any one reason I'm getting it wrong. I'm a little all over the board. I don't seem to have this problem with earlier tests though (30s and 40s). Any insight to the evolution of the LR questions? Have they just gotten harder? More sneaky answers? It's so frustrating to see my score actually going down over time because I'm bombing those so hard! Argh.

Hey all.

I did PT 71 today and ran into some rule substitution questions. I've found these questions to either be really easy (intuitive) or really hard, without there really being a middle ground. Like J.Y. said in his video on Rule Substitution questions, a lot of the times it feels like I just get it or I don't.

On PT 71, I didn't really get it. I narrowed it down to two answer choices. This time I decided to take a more systematic approach.

I redrew my entire game board substituting for the new rule to see if I got the same inferences.

This method got me to the right answer, but I will say it took A LOT of time, more than I think was worth it (felt rushed the rest of the section).

Does anyone have more efficient systematic approaches to these types of questions? Or should I just train myself to be faster and redrawing the game board? Or should I just guess lol?

Hi everyone,

I sat for the LSAT in June and scored well but also 6 points below my average from the previous 15 practice tests I had taken, so I am registered to re-take in two weeks. That said, I realize I will not get my score back until mid-October. My application is almost good to go. I plan to edit my essays a few more times, and my recommendation letters will hopefully be in by the start of October. Given the rolling nature of admissions, is there any difference between how my application would be received mid-September or early-October compared to mid-October?

Hey everyone,

I'm thankful and happy to say after my June sitting (162), my average for PT's has improved.

I've taken 46, 47, 55, 58, 60, 61 and have averaged 169 (as high as 172).

I'm around my goal (170 would be nice), and I'd like to take more PT's in the 70s before September's sitting.

I have PTs 48-54,56-57, 59, 69, 71, 72, 74, 76, 78 remaining.

I'm going to take 4 more PT's before the 16th.

Keeping in mind of a possible retake in December, I'd like to save some newer PT's.

Should I take as many modern PT's before September as possible, or should I save some?

I'm thinking I'll do 59, 69, 72, 76... Or 69, 71, 72, 74.

Thanks for the advice.

So iv done hundreds upon hundreds of LR questions and i still dont have an answer for this. What does LSAC consider acceptable outside knowledge. What can i assume?

Hey yall (from Texas),

I am registered for the September LSAT, but I am wondering what yall think about pushing

I am doing 0 LG and -1 to -3 on RC. However, for LR I range from 0/-1 to -5/-6 but usually -3 each section. Therefore, I am ranging from 168 to 174ish. The variance I mostly attribute to time on LR. I get done with my round 1 with only about 2 minutes usually. My blind review is almost always 176-178, and I don't see any major trends as far as missing question types. My thesis is that I have the fundamentals--my variance is due to speed.

However, I have been out of school for four years now, so I work all day and then come home and study. I don't feel like I have the time necessary to get more time on LR sections before the September test to get more consistency on each LR section. I am most concerned about the range I am seeing. I know I am fully capable of mid 170s (and I don't see the point of pushing up into my theoretical maximum). BUT I don't want to score in the 160s just because I went too slow on one LR section or had a bad day.

I always hear it is better to apply earlier rather than later for T14 schools because of scholarships. However, would it be better for me to foolproof LR and get a 173ish in December or have a bad day and get a 168ish in December??

Also, tips on improving speed? I am already videoing my LR takes. A friend recommended using an interval timer and doing questions from the question bank at a level 1 difficulty in under 40 seconds, level 2 50 seconds, level 3 65 seconds, level 4/5: 80 seconds but then forcing myself to skip if I take longer than the limit to train myself to take the appropriate amount of time on each question difficulty type. Thoughts?

Hi,

I thought "other cases" are alwas irrelevant to the case discussed in the stimulus...

I thought "yes, maybe that happens in this case, but may not in the specific case discussed in the stimulus."

So I kind of always eliminate those answers.

But for example in PT 71 Sec 1 Q12...the correct answer is B, which uses other mountainous regions to support the argument.

I cannot recall exact question numbers, but I'm pretty sure those answers including "other" things are red flag...

So my question is...

When do these "other" choices work and when do not?

Do they work in support/weaken questions always?

I just thought those "other" cases are irrelevant in discussing what happens in the stimulus.

I'd appreciate any insights.

Thanks

Can you please help me decide on whom to ask for LOR?

I graduated undergrad 2012, went to graduate school, graduated 2013. Since then I have been working for three-four years.

I am now trying to go to law school and have been thinking of my LORs. My potential LOR Candidates are

My former supervisor whom I interned for during my undergrad years. He has great credentials and I am very close to him. Have been keeping in touch for a long time, so definitely easiest to ask for recommendation and I have no doubt that he can write me a great recommendation. Now, potential issues I have with this LOR is that 1) he is not my professor and 2) I interned for him, so this was very long ago, so I don’t know what the admission committee might think of that.

My current supervisor from a non-profit organization that I am involved in. I don’t think I can get a LOR from my main job because I can’t let the company know that I am applying to law school. However, I have been involved in this non-profit organization for as many years I have been working. It is not my primary occupation, but could even be more relevant to law school because I do more writing for this job than my primary job. My primary occupation is quantitative research, dealing with numbers and computer modeling. Now, the only issue I have with this LOR is that it is not from my main job.

A professor from my school years. Couldn’t really think of professors who would write me a good recommendation because 1) I went to a really big school 2) my major was engineering so most of the classes I took were exam oriented, requiring minimal interaction between students and professors. Fortunately, for this professor, I took his class and even became his TA. So he can probably write me a good recommendation. My issues with this LOR is that 1) I haven’t been in touch since I graduated, which was four years ago. 2) This class is a project/presentation class so I don’t know if my professor can write me the kind of recommendation that law schools are looking for. Also, maybe he will write a “meh” recommendation. Who knows what he will do whereas LOR 1) and 2), I can 100 percent guarantee that I will get really good LORs.

Now, I have been reading a lot about how an academic LOR is a must for law schools. But as you can see, I feel like I can get better recommendations from non-academic sources. So if I can get some feedback on which LORs I should get, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Was wondering how people go about squeezing every question for all that it can teach.

Namaste peeps,

This may already be out there so bare with me. As great as the videos and explanations for Games on the CC are, I have a hard time with space and sub-game boards with individual questions (right now I'm practicing with PT 33 Game 3). It's hard for me not to erase and/or I just run out of space. I'm practicing on a separate piece of paper just for the sake of learning. If there is a video (or videos) where certain games are done in pencil, that would amazing. It would help to see how someone writes everything in the space provided, including master game boards, conditional chains AND the specific questions without confusing themselves with there own handwriting (like me).

Bless y'all.

Hey all,

So I do poorly on my first two sections of my test but then get better and more focused on the last two.

Anyone else have this problem and how to solve it??

Thanks

I just started studying for the December exam with 7sage (I did take it once before tho) and will also start working on my PS, DS, resume and other components of the applications. Does anyone who works full-time have advice on how to balance the time I spend studying with app prep these next two months so it doesn't affect my LSAT prep? I won't get my score until Jan. 4th but I'd like to send my apps as early as possible.

ALSO, my GPA is just average (3.5) but I know my LSAT score reach a 165-170. Should I still send my apps without my score (or will they get automatically turned down due to my GPA?)

Thanks so much!

I need some insight. I Took the LSAT dec 16 and was not nearly prepped. I decided to retake and have been studying hard since april or so.

Im at a strange phase in my studying where i am scoring around and sometimes above my potential but iv only taken 7 tests. Ive done multitudes of timed sections and drilling.i feel very confident, but my brain is starting to get toasted from studying.

I am signed up for september. And until this week i was planning on postponing till December. But now i kinda wanna take it.

My concerns are as follows. I have foolproofed 1-40 games. I also proofed the games i have taken in PTs. But i still havent seen alot of games. I also havent really touched the 60s and only took PT 78,70,71,72,60,61,65.

So i have alot of material i am not exposed to..

Averaging a 170, havent gotten above a 174 yet.

What do you guys think? should i postpone?, or take it with a slight chance of a cancellation?

Alright, 7Sagers. I asked for help on LG and got some great advice and improved vastly. Now we have almost two weeks until the Sept LSAT and my LR needs some serious help. I am currently in phase 2 of the process, where I tend to do much better in BR than in timed test conditions. I am currently intensively reviewing the CC and have used the analytics to identify which areas are my most common issues. I tend to eliminate the 3 most obvious wrong answers almost immediately, but then I choose the wrong answer between the 2 left over maybe half the time. Pseudo/Sufficient Assumption, Parallel Method of Reasoning, and some of those higher level analytical questions I struggle with most consistently. Any tips? Support? Suggested therapists???

Hey guys, I'm having trouble finding which lesson what I wrote in my notes is from. I have:

Tuesday->rain->sad

= if tuesday, it will rain, and it will be sad

Vs.

Tuesday-> (rain->sad)

= on tuesday, if it rains, its sad

I want to review this, but I can't find the lesson... does anyone know?

Thanks!!!

So, I plan on applying this cycle. However, I've come to the realization that I haven't really connected with any of my professors. I've always gotten pretty good grades in college, but haven't ever really gone to my professors for help or just to talk in general. I understand I need a letter of recommendation from at least one of them. What should I do?

What are law schools looking for in a LOR?

My professors told me to figure out the academic and non-academic traits I would like to include in the LOR and then they will tell me if they could write it for me. What would be traits that catches law school admissions' eye when they read my LORs?

Thank you!

Hello all!

I am coming close to getting where I want to on my test after many trials and tribulations. I want to drill the top 3, or top 4 question types that I am missing on the LR questions over the next two weeks. The question types are flaw, MSS, NA, and PSA. I was wondering what were the best resources out there for this type of drilling. I looked at amazon and there were so many different books to choose from I wasn't sure which to pick! Thanks!

I found this website a couple months ago before I joined 7sage. It gives ratings and reviews of LSAT testing centers. Should be helpful for those of you deciding where to take your exam!

http://www.simugator.com/lsat-test-site-rater.php

Are there many things more dangerous on this test than a Sufficient Assumption answer choice in a Necessary Assumption question? It's like trying to distinguish a blueberry from something that looks like a blueberry but is poisonous. Not to mention we've only got 30 seconds to do it and if we fail, the effects of the poison compound for years.

I feel like I've got to be like Michael Jordan on the clutch...17 seconds to go in a 62-61 game and sinking the jump shot with confidence, every time. Should I prepare before hand so I'm ready for the situation? Or should I not think about it so when the time comes I'm relaxed? You know what, I'll meditate on it. I'll practice my mindfulness for the performance after I tune my brain to distinguish the strength of arguments floating in the ether that aren't made in the conversation.

If anyone tells me this test won't prepare me for law school, I will likely question their sensibility. For ((-- premise indicator) this is a mental transition. (em)Although ((--- conceding a point that probably doesn't matter) this isn't teaching me about torts, you bet I'm going to read those books quicker, with greater scrutiny, tact, and anticipation. And much later on when I'm helping my clients defend themselves, you bet I'm going to drive my opponents to the ground with their assumptions.(/p)

So some of you may have seen a discussion I posted about a week ago saying, "I'm never going to get this so what's our worst case scenario lbr." I got some encouragement from our 7sage community and also my husband and friends - took a day off, and got back to it! The update is I just drilled 5 assorted games in 33 minutes and went -3, but -0 in BR. Considering last week I went -13 on two games in 35 minutes, that is a MAJOR improvement. How did I do it? I allowed myself to go slowly (I know, whattttttt), as slowly as I needed to. I watched the videos and did about 4 or 5 games PER day minimum, all different. I wouldn't say I had an epiphany one day, I'd equate it to more of a slow adjustment to a cold swimming pool. But the point is, it can be done. Diligence, patience, and being kind to yourself - these are so important. I used the test question bank as well as some prep test sections and drilled until one day I used a stopwatch and lo and behold I was clocking in less than 7 minutes per game. You can do it! You will do it! Actually, you HAVE to do it! So don't get discouraged, hold your head high, and you'll live to infer another day. (3 (3(/p)

Hey everyone,

So I know I disappeared for awhile - don't hate me, but I'm back! After really weighing it out, i've decided to do the September exam for a couple reasons. Mainly, I genuinely believe I can get the score I want. But the anxiety came when I went to Disney World for two days (a long time planned vacation). I honestly thought I would have no motivation to study and would see a significant decrease in my score. Instead, I'm genuinely refreshed and inspired. It's like a finally have room in my brain and everything is starting to really stick. I really thought I was going to be exhausted (5 am morning till 2 am the next morning and I managed to do completely do 3 parks in one day) but instead i'm totally recharged. My LR skills seemed to have sharpened and become really reliable. So to anyone right now feeling totally burnt out - TAKE A BREAK! A full out break, where you don't think about the LSAT and do something FUN. You will not regret it.

A little LSAT inspiration post for those of us hard at work!

Hello! I've been practicing timing with a Timex watch but I find that the seconds hand ticks waaaay too loudly for my peace of mind. I can usually zone it out but I'd rather not have to focus on doing that. My current watch also lacks a bezel so I want to rectify that situation as well. I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation on a watch (with a bezel) where the seconds hand doesn't tick loudly? Preferably silently? Trying not to spend too much $ here but also want a solid watch for test day. I also don't care if it's a men's or women's watch, how it looks doesn't really matter to me as long as the face/numbers/hands are clear.

I would think that both of these words would be written as "most" in formal logic. Is this correct? Or would generally just be "some"?

Hi everyone,

I have been drilling the games and I am currently working on spatial games. I don't know if this has helped anyone, but this trick certainly has helped me. I started doing subscripts on my game board. For example, if we are trying to place lions or tigers on the game board (like the game in PT16), I spent a little more time in the beginning to do that. I was careful to make sure that my game board wasn't too messy. The questions were super easy and I got the game right and with high confidence. Just wanted to let everyone know in case this trick helps others too! :)