Hi,

How to use the PT you have already done efficiently?

Even the last time you did it is a couple of month ago, if you did BR throughoutly,

you must remember some essense from it right?

How to use PT second time efficiently?

Or if you finish new PT, it is better to do older ones?(ones you have not seen yet)

Do you re-watch JY's explanation?

Thanks

Hey guys, I am currently reading thru the Trainer to enhance 7sage CC, while I find the vast majority of the content are extremely consistent to our CC, there are yet a few things in the Trainer I was just like "wut?" In other words, kinda contradicting to what i'v learned so far. Maybe It was just me not understanding it correctly, so I went back to our CC to double check and here is what have:

In our CC the logical indicator "only" is group 2,which introduces necessary condition.

Example in our CC: Only fish swim: S -> F Contro: /F-->/S

Trainer example: I only work on Tuesdays. Sarah only date funny boys.

So I translated them as: T --> W and F --> D, but the answer is: W --> T and D --> F, which it does make sense in sensical ways, but I'm trying understand what i did wrong there in terms of applying the translation rules of "only"? What makes W and D a sufficient condition in this case despite the fact that they are following "only" like how we would translate "Only fish swim".

Another one in Trainer: "All employees must wash their hands" which translates as E --> W. Nothing controversial here, but then it further states that another way of indicating this would be "Employees are required to wash their hands" and "require to" informs of what must the consequence of being an employee, which is W (wash hands). In other words, W is the necessary condition.

Example in our CC: "Practice is required to be a skilled artist" which translates as SA --> P, for P is "required" hence necessary condition. which I totally understand and agree, and this has been the way I was trained, but wouldn't that make "Employees are required to wash their hands" translate as: W ---> E as opposed to the other way around demonstrated in the Trainer? What is going on here? I'm sure it's me so what did I do wrong here? :D

Last one I promise lol how would you guys translate "All animals other than whales love music"? I translated it as W ---> /M (If one is a whale then one doesn't love music, if one loves music, one is not a whale) and the answer is W/ ---> M.

Thanks so much in advance fellow 7sagers, any clarification would be much appreciated!

Hi everyone,

Sort of a long question. TL;DR: How strongly can I lean on my good graduate GPA vs my weaker undergraduate GPA when looking at places to apply?

For the sake of argument let's assume that my LSAT score is at, or slightly above a given school's median... Now for the background.

My undergraduate GPA (converting it from UK grades using an online tool) is a disappointing 3.64. However my graduate GPA (also converted with the same tool) for my recently completed Master's Degree is 3.95, which will go up to 3.98 if my thesis comes back at my expected grade come November. I got my 2 degrees at 2 different universities, but both are members of the Russell Group (sort of the UK equivalent to the Ivy League, except maybe less prestigious). Basically it's not the case that I simply got the better grades somewhere less rigorous, I just developed a lot between degrees. For what it's worth I also did a full credit undergraduate class at Harvard one year during my undergrad as part of their summer school program, for which I got an A.

This 3.64 UGPA is at or below the 25th percentile for most T14 schools. However, that's is in the past and my most recent GPA from graduate school would put me in almost any school's 75th percentile. I'm almost certain my undergraduate GPA will hold me back somewhat, but I'm wondering if I should I let it entirely put me off applying to places where it's below the median, given that my graduate GPA is so much better? In other words, is it unreasonable of me to think that my graduate GPA can make up for a slightly weak undergraduate GPA?

Thanks!

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7Sage has to be one of the most remarkable communities I have had the privilege to be a part. I was so stressed and burnt out last week that my hair was falling out and had to completely dis-engage from the LSAT. Just returning tonight, my heart is full and more tears are falling down my face for the love and appreciation for all of my friendships.

The inspiration that you have given me has solidified my decision to register for December knowing that you can achieve so much more when you have a community of support. I didn't change my gravatar from a "snail" to "scrappy doo" for nothing! If I have any hair left after Dec/Feb test dates, I will post a picture of myself:)

Here is what happened to me so wake up and learn from my mistakes!!!

The week prior to the test – I wrote down my guestimate of a realistic breakdown knowing that RC and hard NA/Weaken LR's were my Achilles heel.

LR -4, LR-4, RC -6/7, LG -0/1

Which would have placed me in the mid-160’s range and with a plan to work on the weaknesses for Dec.

I scored 160... Kicker is - I GOT the Virus Game correct but how do you recover from -11 on RC???

I have been breaking down the analytics of the test and here is what I have found so far…

My actual scores:

LR -7, RC -11, LR -6, Exp, LG -3

- One thing I know for sure is that my prep did not provide the stamina required for test day.

- LR1: I hit a rough patch starting at Q17 thru Q24 missing 6/8, lost focus and confidence

- RC: The Aileen Gray passage -3, but the kicker is time management, -6 of last 7 Q’s

- LR2: Missed 3/4 Q9-12 and then 3/4 Q19-22 Need to evaluate Q Types or figure out why the clusters of misses

- LG: Stupid mistake G2, missed 2 stupid G3 b/c I raced thru it to work on Virus Game with it having 6 Q’s & had miscue resetting watch so had no reference of time on the section for pacing

I smiled when I got my score because I actually took the LSAT and scored 80th percentile - however big huge crocodile tears were falling down my face out of sadness that I hadn’t gotten closer to the mid-160’s. I desperately needed a break after all the stress of the past few months compounded by a lot of personal stress with my family. But it is funny that my brain needs to be challenged and I have been playing around with LG games and my favorite LR question types from misc pages I had already printed. Yeah, I know, everyone says I “ain’t right” with how I choose to relax, heehee.

Last Wednesday, it felt like I had a bucket of ice water poured over my head and I just need to center myself. It has taken some time away to regroup and figure out if I can increase my score to the higher 160’s when I really need a low 170 to go to law school. With the help of this incredible community, I believe in ALL of us to try to achieve our highest abilities.

Thank you for your support to not give up and if I can provide any info on my personal experience, please let me know. One thing I promise, no matter what happens, I will learn to not get so over-stressed that it makes me remove myself from a community I care about and will be there for all of you as you continue your prep.

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I noticed that at the bottom of LG questions there are keywords... can we search for these keywords?

For example, I want to work on games that have the But not Both rule... and that is a keyword that is highlighted. Is it possible to search for that?

Hey everyone!

Decided to write in February again. Thought I was doing well with the BR method prior to writing in September. Managed to get down to about -4/5 per LR section (which is okay for my goal score) however I ended up losing several more points per LR section than expected on PT79.

Was hoping to get input on additional prep materials for this section? (I will continue to use the BR method in the meantime).

I registered for the December exam.

Hello 7sagers,

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to increase your speed on the logic reasoning test portion. I have been studying this section rigorously for months and it is my favorite section . However, even though I understand and can get the correct answer each time untimed I still have yet to master getting 15 correct on the timed section . Any advice ? I'm not sure if I'm nervous or if there is something I can do to help bridge the gap between me taking forever to realize I know the steps .

I have made a few posts of encouragement for those who took the exam and did much worse than their PT average. However, I feel like this has been so abnormal. In the past, I have met a lot of people who scored above their PT average. Do we think the test is getting harder?

Here's a TED talk that might change your perspective on the stress of studying for the LSAT, and even more importantly, the stress of writing the LSAT.

https://www.ted.com/talks/kelly_mcgonigal_how_to_make_stress_your_friend?language=en

I apologize ahead of time if there is another post/thread that explains things, but I don't fully comprehend the blind review group system. How do I join a group? And how are the BR materials for this group determined? What is the system behind what PT is studied for the BR schedule? haha

Regardless, I am eager to join in on a group. I desperately need help particularly with LR!!

Hi guys,

So I purchased the kindle version of PT75 and it is terrible! The formatting is a bitch. And say hypothetically if someone were to convert it to pdf to print it for practice, the terrible formatting carries on into pdf (again purely hypothetical). Is it hypothetically possible to reformat it to look like the print version and what would the steps be? Also is there a place to purchase soft copies of the Preptests which are properly formatted? Are the nook, kobo or itunes versions any better?

Good morning my fellow 7sagers. Myself and several other Detroit area students have decided to form a study group that will meet on Tuesday and Thursday from 530p-:830p and Sunday 3:30-6:30. The location hasn't been decided as we are waiting to make it more convenient for all who wish to attend. If interested inbox me or drop a few lines below.

Proctors:

They have 3 proctors and they are very quiet throughout the whole process. They are not super familiar with the rules but you can tell that they have past experience as proctors for LSAT and are very very nice people.

Facilities:

Bathroom is very close to the classroom and is large enough to accommodate the test takers.

What kind of room:

Normal size classroom with AC on (Taiwan is still hot in September).

How many in the room:

They scheduled it 8*7, but about 30-40% of people didn't show up. So about 30 people in the room.

Desks:

Classroom-size desk and chair.

Left-handed accommodation:

Not sure.

Noise levels:

Quiet. At 9:30AM there were some noise because another test administered by ETC is happening downstairs. Didn't bother me that much.

Parking:

I walked to the test center, but, well, it's Taiwan. Why would you want to drive to the test center in Taiwan?

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

The test takers were split into two classrooms so the waiting time is not very long. I think we started before 9.

Irregularities or mishaps:

Didn't notice.

Other comments:

I like this test center a lot. Taipei in general is a relaxing place and the locals are super nice. There are also a lot of good food in this area, so I enjoyed staying there.

The classroom located in the International building, which is on the right side when you enter the main gate. You have to go all the way down the hall to the elevators. The location of the classrooms for LSAT won't be posted until the morning of the test, so don't worry.

And an very important notice: don't mistake National Taiwan University of Science and Technology from National Taipei University of Science and Technology. They are two different schools and located in different part of the city.

Would you take the test here again?

Yes, definitely. I also recommended this test center to my friends.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 25, 2016

Is it because of math?

How is math related to LG? :(

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-38-section-2-game-2/

Hey, guys I'm having a problem with understanding the first rule of this stupid game.

So the first rule goes 'Frank demonstrates exactly one task before Gladys demonstrates any of the task'

and JYP drew a sequence from this rule as this:

G

F (

G - F

It looks kind of weird but what this is basically saying F is both of Gs and the other F is after only one G

But when I first mapped this rule out I drew

F(G, )F

G

what I was trying to say is BOTH of Gs appear before the other F not just one G

I just can't wrap my head around why F should only follow after ONE G not BOTH of them especially given that Frank should appear exactly once before any of G.

But the way JYP mapped this out allows the possibility of something like F,G,F,G

and in this case for the latter G TWO Fs appear before it. Isn't this against contradicting what the rule says?

Hope somebody can help me out with this please!

I took the September lsat and now my inbox is exploding with law schools waiving their application fees. Do they do this for everyone or are they actually looking at my GPA/score? I'm just curious if I should take these emails serious, or if it's just a marketing ploy.

I am not the best with logic reasoning. But, I am usually able to get the answer down to something, and E. Is E normally a correct choice in this section? And any tips of how to answer some LR questions? I have find the main conclusion down.

Just curious, I definitely want to take it as a PT before December

I'm ready to start Pacifico's lg strategy but I'm missing the excel sheet. Can anyone email it to me? Thank you!

Most LR questions have a missing assumption and I think that is where I am having trouble. Sometimes the assumptions are very fuzzy to me...it's like I have an idea of what is missing but I can't put my finger on it. It has been frustrating! But I am glad that I am figuring out what I am needing to work on.

What is your suggestion of improvement for identifying assumptions?

I couldn't find the answer to this in my searches but apologize if this is a repeat.

I am taking the Dec 2016 test and will apply with that score during this admissions cycle. If I do a Feb retake can I send that score in as an additional way to bolster my application? Or, do schools not accept additional information after their application deadlines are over?

Any insights would be much appreciated!

For some reason the phone/they hung up, they said "hello? hello?" so sounding like there was some phone issue...

Should I call them back? They just opened my account so they know who called them.

But I think there are multiple representatives, so even though I call them I may not call the person I reached before.

I wonder whether they will put some mark on me...like rude student :(

Am I thinking too much? :(

Hey guys,

I remember seeing someone say it isn't good to do PTs sequentially because when you get to the 70s, scores typically tend to drop significantly. I was thinking about doing 1 in the 60s, then 1 in the 70s, and then keep that same order throughout.

What do you guys think about this idea?