So I took the LSAT for the second time (cancelled my first time) in June and I got a 160, a few points lower than I was expecting. I have a 3.5 GPA and I am an URM (son of Mexican immigrants). I have very good LORs and a pretty strong resume as well as a nontraditional back story. I am aiming to get into a top 20 law school with a scholarship and I am wondering if I am delusional for thinking that I have a shot of that happening with my current stats.

I am considering retaking in September but I don't know if it would be more trouble than it's worth. For example, if I were to retake (this would be my third time) and I got a score that was very similar (or god forbid, lower) than a 160, would that just look bad? I don't want to go through the laborious process of studying for this damn thing just to make myself an even less competitive applicant. Thanks for any input!!

Edit: I am also currently working 45 hours a week and I would be doing that leading up to the Sept LSAT. That could end up being beneficial since I was doing nothing but studying LSAT for the months leading up to the June one and I felt really burned out.

For this particular question, I'm not really sure why answer choice B is correct over answer choice C. In the LSAT, do motives usually apply to reasons relating to self-interest, such as profit-motive? Additionally, aren't presuppositions or assumptions not stated in the stimulus. Maria seemed to be directly attacking Lucien's intermediary conclusion that homelessness is caused by people's unwillingness or inability work.

Hey everyone,

Slightly underperformed on my June exam so I'll be back at it in Sept. I just checked Cambridge's site for their LG pdf bundle and I guess it got taken down with all the PTs during the lawsuit.

Is there anywhere I can still get pdfs of all LGs? Or could I buy them in sets from somewhere?

Thanks!

Hey everyone,

I just planned out my PT schedule from now until the September exam. I have been studying for 6 months and doing tests for about the past month or so. I'm hoping to take 28 PTs between now and September. I'm on track for two a week, since I want to cover all the 50s, 60s, and 70-77. I'll start taking three a week in September with Blind Review of course.

Does anyone think this is a good idea? Should my tests increase or decrease in the final month? I do not want to burn out but I also want to make sure I'm running on quality adrenaline/confidence going into the final week. My last PT would be September 21st, which would give me Thursday for a final Blind Review and Friday for rest. If anyone has any tips, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

Hey 7Sagers,

My worst nightmare happened. I underperformed on the June LSAT. I knew I royally fudged up RC, so at least I expected the score I got in my email yesterday. I already moped around for a few weeks, and now I'm ready to gear up for a retake.

I was consistently going -0 in LG the months leading up to June, and yet I froze during G3. I've done every game ever released (multiple times) using the FoolProof Method. I think test anxiety contributed the most to my score decrease. Any retakers out there with helpful advice on how to combat this? I was thinking of doing 30 minute sections instead (to allow some time for freak-outs during the real thing, lol).

Congrats to everyone who reached their target scores!! Hoping to join y'all later this year :)

So uhhh, should I be signed up for the CAS on LSAC already? Or is that something I can wait to do? I really am clueless about all this stuff, because I've been focusing on LSAT LSAT LSAT the whole time so far.

Anybody have any ideas on what the service is, when I should sign up for it, etc.?

Hi all,

I've been spared from receiving spam emails from law schools because I never released my info to law schools via LSAC's Candidate Referral Service (CRS). Now that I have my score, I'm wondering whether I should do so just to be safe -- though I'm targeting t-7 schools and I don't think they need to use CRS to recruit. Still, I suppose there's no risk, except annoying spam. What say you all?

I just noticed I have access to this. Where can I access? TIA

Hello,

I have 3 withdraws on my transcripts. Two are the same class, its a hard class and I first tried taking it during an already hard semester, and that did not work out. The second time was this summer, and the professor cancelled class a lot and the first test came back and I flunked. At this point, I could stay in this class get a c, or I could drop it again and have 3 w's. What should I do? This would be a non punitive w. My gpa is high, so a C would make it drop a considerable amount. I just do not know what to do. Which would look worse 3 w's with 2 coming from the same class, or a c. I would rather drop, but just not sure how law schools look at that.

I am looking for a group of individuals who would like to work together during the blind review process. I attend Fordham University and I can get us a small study room with a white board and everything else that is needed. Looking for a dedicated and serious bunch of people who are ready to kill the LSAT together!

I am looking for a possible group or single study buddy in the Houston area

Studying would be for the Sept LSAT test. I am looking for anyone serious on studying and aiming a 170 +.

Context - I spent a year studying for the LSAT; never made it past the 167-171 range on a fresh test, but got as high as a 178 on a retake. I took the June LSAT for my first official take, and scored a 169. I'd obviously love to score a 180 and go to Harvard, but if that's not feasible then my next ideal place to go would either be Penn or Duke. My GPA is a 3.66.

Test Breakdown:

LR: 23/25, 23/26 (left one blank!!! Had no idea I did this); this is a pretty typical breakdown for me though

AR: 21/23; I usually go -0

RC: 23/27; this is the crazy one, as I usually went 19 or 20 out of 27. Because of this score, I feel like I should be happy with I got.

With that said, what if I had gotten those two additional games questions correct, and had answered the forgotten LR question? Maybe the RC was a fluke on this occasion, but an additional 2 1/2 months could make that score more consistent.....

However, I have used all of the testing materials, and I did score smack dab in my average. Is chugging out retakes for the next few months worth it for a couple of additional points? I don't know, which is why I ask for the wisdom of 7sage.

So yesterday I received my LSAT score and received a 158. It was a hard to accept but I realized I have to accept it and I have the chance to do better in September, especially because my diagnostic was in the 142, a 16 point increase. I honestly do not know where to start.

I have done preptests 50- 74 and had an average of 156. My ultimate goal is to get a 163 or higher which I believe could be done since I got 8 questions wrong on logic games on my actual LSAT. I also got 13 questions wrong for logical reasoning and 10 wrong on reading comprehension. I just want to know how should I go about taking preptests and studying? Should I go back to curriculum.

Is my goal unrealistic for remaining time period? Btw when I was studying for my June LSAT I had a part time job and was a full time student but for the time remaining I already quit my job so I may give my full effort to studying. Also should I supplement my 7sage curriculum with anything? I already used the LSAT Trainer and want to honestly do the best possible when it comes to the September LSAT. Its been a long journey and I do not want to give up without reaching my goal. Please help and provide any advice or personal experience! Thank you!!!

I had watched a few lessons before purchasing the starter package. Do I need to start over from the beginning- is there any difference in what I watched up until purchasing? ...if that makes sense.

Anyone have any insights on how this cycle might shape up? Is the number of law school applicants on the rise or is it falling? Will schools be more flexible when it comes to splitters/reverse-splitters? Did the number of June test takers increase, decrease, or stay about the same?

I've tried researching but I haven't found much. Mike Spivey did mention though in a tweet that he'll be coming out with some predictions for the 16/17 cycle within the next few weeks. Hoping someone here may have some info.

Hi 7Sagers,

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Hey guys, so long story short I took the Dec LSAT, cancelled my score, then took it again in June hoping to score in the mid to high 160s range (was scoring between 159 and 166 on my PTs) but I ended up getting a 160 flat due to what I feel was a fixable mistake in the last section (thought I screwed up section 4 really bad and I let that anxiety leak into section 5, ended up getting -8 on that final LR when I usually get less than -5). I have a 3.5 (I am a transfer student and my community college gpa kinda brought down my UC gpa) and a pretty good resume and LOR. I am also an URM. I want to ideally get into the lower T14 schools and the ones just outside it like Georgetown and UCLA but I would also need to be offered money. Should I retake? My first instinct was HELL YES I should retake but after speaking with an old friend who was also an URM with the EXACT same gpa/lsat score AND who just graduated from Cornell law school (she was given a 33% scholarship), I am having second thoughts. Thanks in advance!

P.S. If I were to retake, it would be the Sept test so I guess I have to decide soon D:

I have drafted two personal statements... and I am unsure of with which to proceed. As of right now, I am not financially able to purchase the package to get David's help but I hope to be able to before application submission this fall, so meanwhile... would any of you like to take a look at my two personal statements and tell me if you think I should go with one or the other? They are in extremely rough formats, and I just would like input on which one to proceed with using before I spend the time on one or the other in editing, revising, polishing, etc etc etc. One is a story of an event in my life where I made a difficult decision. The other is basically about me and what lead me to where I am. The latter is so cliche` and I really want to stand out (as we all do). I plan on doing a diversity statement about myself and single parenthood, so I feel like if I use the PS that speaks about "me" and single parenthood, that the diversity statement is then redundant, so that leads me to think the event story is better to go with, if I do the DS.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-4-question-15/

Someone please explain.

Dear Sir,

I just started LSAT and now entering the 3rd week.

Progress is being made. But I guess I practice differently and was wondering what you think about this? Please let me know your perspective.

So, traditionally, I guess most students will time themselves: 1:27 per question. But I don't understand the logic behind that if you are at the very beginning.

Instead:for each of the problem sets, of course, I follow the general steps, but then I do something different:

1) I try to translate the words into a diagram

2) I WRITE out each answer and exactly WHY I think some are right and some are wrong

3) I blind review with the words that I wrote to match how the "profesisonal-JY" arrive to there wrong or correct answer choices

4) Of the questions I get wrong, I then type them into word and go more in-depth why my brain's neuron went off track

The reason why I do this is because, as a professional golfer, it doesn't make sense for some one to begin going to the course and hit 18 if in the first place the person only knows how to hold the club or just have the ball hit.

Please let me know your thoughts.

How do BAD past scores come into play with admissions? I have a lingering feeling that this LSAT (September) will not mean much for my chances for a good law school. I am studying but the feeling of worry is there.

Little back story. The last time I took the test I had life hitting me pretty vigorously. I was taking an accelerated summer session in undergrad and two days before the test, I was in a car accident and got a concussion. Being as how the accident kind of knocked me out for a few seconds without knowing it or blacked out one, I didn't believe I had one. Walked into the test with sleep deprivation already from trying to keep up in class, but with an added concussion. I do not believe that was my best test ability because I was there in my seat, but could not focus. The whole time I had a headache or wanted to sleep. After the test day, being told I had a concussion, I decided to cancel the test (obviously) but with everything that happened, it slipped my mind. My own fault for not canceling it in time I know, but now with the number sticking I am worried it will stick in my admissions decision.

Hi guys!

So, quick question. What's the best way to improve on translating from English to formal logic? Just redoing the drills already in the curriculum? Any other supplemental material anyone recommend???

Thank you :)

Hi everyone,

I recently got my scores back for the June LSAT, and ended up with 168. Since my goal score was 75, I’m applying to retake the exam in September. Up till now, I’ve been doing mostly self study, and have gone through an ungodly amount of textbooks + over 15 practice tests, which I'd been working through since February.

What would you guys recommend as a next step, for getting that 7-point increase? I’m thinking of taking classes (since I’ve exhausted all my self-study materials), but am not sure if it’s worth the time and money to get a private tutor. However, that being said, taking group classes seems like it might also not be so smart, since I’ve already fairly grasped the LSAT basics and methodology.

Thoughts?

Hi all,

I Just started my PT regiment after finally completing the 7Sage course but after taking just the first couple of PT's I'm feeling like crap! I knew and expected that I wouldn't be scoring anywhere near my potential, but I just felt after seeing my score and seeing the number of questions I got wrong after spending 4-5 months of studying that I would have gotten a bigger increase. On top of that, I get a lot of answers wrong twice and trapped during my BR!! I usually manage to figure it out during the course but now with these questions I get so demoralized not being able to get it after a BR AND reviewing the video. It really sucks and I'm worried that these scores will take a blow to my confidence/ attitude during my studies leading to diminishing scores...

Can anyone relate to this? What do you do to get your confidence/morale back up? How do you handle questions that are double wrong on a BR?

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