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Hey guys, so I am having trouble with logical reasoning. On every section at this point I get at least minus -10, more like 11 or 12. However when I BR I get them all correct, sometimes maybe 1 wrong. I'm just wondering what this means. It's very frustrating because when I BR I feel like I know the correct answer and don't understand why I didn't choose it the first time.. Does this mean it is more of a timing issue and I need to focus on recognizing correct answer choices more quickly? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

The law school I am applying does not accept transcripts through LSDAS and do not ask me to register for the service, they only ask for LSAC account number to check LSAT score. Can the law school see my writing sample in other ways (e.g online) if no document is sent to them by LSAC?

I'm curious to know what people think about skipping over answer choices if a really attractive answer presents itself early. So, say it's a Strengthen question, you immediately see the gap and prephrase, and then answer choice A is exactly what you were looking for. I see two ways to handle this. The first is to select A, move on, and pocket the extra 20-30 seconds it would have taken to eliminate B-E. The second is to do your due diligence and eliminate the other answers anyway in order to avoid what seems like a really easy trap. I'm never quite sure what to do when I run into this. Is there an official 7Sage orthodoxy addressing this? What do y'all do?

Hi All. I know JY emphasizes to write small, fast and neat in logic games and NO ERASING. I'm not sure exactly on the actual test sheet what I'm supposed to for sequence question. Seems there there are 2 ways. Have one master diagram and eliminate pieces like you would playing chess in your head to figure out each question. Or draw a fresh diagram for each question along with a new _ _ _ _ _ grid . And he eliminates pieces so essentially is erasing them to pare down and yet we can't erase. I mean I CAN...but he says not to. Can anyone tell me how I should be doing this?

I wrote my personal statement and already submitted it to one school, the only school I have a shot of not having to move out-of-state, but I have a bad feeling about it now. I performed really bad on the Feb LSAT. I was not prepared. I will have to retake the June, and fortunately, the school I applied to accepts the June LSAT. Overall, I will be applying to many other schools shortly, and would greatly appreciate a set of unbiased (not friends, not family, and not paid to) eyes. Thank you!

Proctors: Very professional and helpful.

Facilities: Really great - held in the SU law school building. One advantage here - you can take PTs in this building to get used to the space before your administration (I suggest coming on a Friday, when they have less classes). I took 3-4 PTs here before my actual test and really felt at ease due to familiarity with the space.

What kind of room: Large lecture style classroom.

How many in the room: Probably 50

Desks: Long table desks shared by 2 students each for the administration - there was plenty of room to work.

Left-handed accommodation: I didn't pay attention to this, but there was so much space it probably wasn't an issue.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Tough in this area, unless you want to pay for on campus parking; I got dropped off

Time elapsed from arrival to test: This was my only complaint, mandated arrival time was 8:30, then check-in, after which you are not allowed to use the bathroom... we didn't begin the test until close to 10, so it can be a long time to wait before the break to use the bathroom.

Irregularities or mishaps: One person did not have a scantron inside her shrink-wrapped test booklet. The proctors had to stop the whole room to go find her a scantron, and it probably delayed our start time by about 15 minutes. However, I'm not sure the test center or proctors could have done anything differently to avoid this.

Other comments: My main complaint is the severe restrictions on bathroom use, but the LSAC is to blame for that, not the test center.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 12/5/15

I don't intend on working during my 1L year, but how many people here plan on working during law school? How many hours?

Proctors: The main test administrator and proctors were hires by LSAC for administering the test at this site. They were no affiliated with the law school. One of the proctors who was sort of an assistant wasn't very competent. She was asked to read the instructions before the start of the section from the test booklet like proctors are supposed to do and she had trouble reading basic english sentences and couldn't pronounce certain words. She also interrupted me just as the test began about something related to seating, which affected me during the section. If she had any questions, she should have finished them before the section began. Other than that, proctors were typically quiet as the test was going on.

Facilities: Restrooms are located on the same floor as the test rooms. They weren't crowded during the break.

What kind of room: The test was held in several small rooms. Each room had about 20 desks and for my test administration they seated 1 person on each desk. But for more recent test administrations, they seem to have taken to seating 2 people per desk which can make it very crowded. I would suggest any taking there first call the JFKU law school and ask about seating only 1 per desk. This crowded seating was the reason I didn't retake at the same location.

How many in the room: About 20/room when I took. For later tests, about 40/room.

Desks: About 4-5ft long desk.

Left-handed accommodation:i am not lefty so don't know. My guess is that based on the type of desks the rooms had, it shouldn't make a difference.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Plenty of free parking right outside the building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About 1 hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: I had the proctor interrupt me just as I was beginning the test, which threw me off for the rest of section and test. During later administrations during Oct 2015, I heard the proctors had trouble arranging rooms, and so they overcrowded test takers on desks.

Other comments: Fine test center except for bad seating and poor proctoring.

Would you take the test here again? Not unless they can fix the seating so there is only 1 person /desk. 2/desk is took crowded and distracting.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 2014

Dear 7sage community,

Could someone please explain to me why answer E is correct? I can justify eliminating answers A,B,C,D, but not picking E. Most of all, I cannot comprehend how to apply the 'can be false' principle to a statement containing 'some' and a negation ('not'). By now my brain hurts from all the theories I tried to convince myself of.

Thanks a lot!

Proctors: Two easygoing proctors. They want you to do well so they are worried that there are no distractions (such as, people coughing/sneezing too much, noise outside the classroom, and people with annoying tics). Proctors do not mind if you take a couple of more seconds (after time is up) to finish with the section (they even wait for you:)

Facilities: Restrooms are kind of far from the classrooms (but if you run to your way there and your way back, you are just fine! The running also help you to release stress).

Kind of Classroom: small classroom

How many in the classroom: 20 (we all have a lot of space in between us)

Desk: Fabric tablet arm chair (very comfortable; your buns won't hurt after being seated for 5 hours).

Left Handed Accommodation: There were two people who were accommodated accordingly.

Noise Level: The classrooms that were assigned for LSAT purposes were isolated from main hallways, food courts, or populated areas. LSAT takers were in classrooms that were close to each other. In other words, no noise.

Parking: Free, plentiful, very close to the area where we had to meet before going to our corresponding classrooms.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 1h 15m. Got there at 7:30 AM, we started the exam at 8:45 AM

Irregularities/mishaps: None. All the proctors were very efficient and super nice.

Dates of Exam: June 2015 and October 2015

Other Comments: I love the atmosphere at Broward College; you can feel the positive energy, which really helped me that day because I didn't sleep well, I was nervous and had a lot of anxiety. Proctors were very friendly and you can feel that they want you to do well. I highly recommend Broward College, Coconut Creek, Florida

Hi,

I was averaging a good -3 to -7(hard ones) on RC.

PT 59 RC section killed me... -11

I got 167. Did okay on other 3 sections.

The worst part of it is that I felt good about the RC.

I thought I nailed the section. Had some time left, at the end, to review the questions.

Bad sign right???? Confidence error?

I have been studying for more than six months at this point. I am hoping to take the June 2016 LSAT. My last 10 preptest have been between 159-163 with three of the preptest at a 161 and three at a 159. My goal is around a 165. I was getting around -3 or -2 on the games but my last PT (71) I got -6 but in BR I got -0. I just started taking the 70s PT and my LR score has dropped from averaging around -5 or -6 to -8 or -9 per each section. On RC I average -7. I am feeling super discouraged. Any tips on what I can do differently in my studying? Ways to improve my score? Should I go through the 7sage curriculum or the trainer again? I will say that my first timed test score was a 149.

Am I sadly completely clueless - or is the LSAT Blog option under the Discussion menu new??

I have 7Sage Discussion Forum on my bookmarks Bar - so I rarely use the Discussion option through the menus...

I am BR'ing for BR call tomorrow night BUT all I want to do is read all of the info on the Blog - arrgghhhh

7Sage offers so much - cannot believe that I completely missed this...

I am going to have so much fun on Sunday reading through the Blog:)

edited to add link: https://classic.7sage.com/lsatblog

Hi 7Sagers,

I'm looking to get some input from you all. The community here is amazing, so I'm looking forward to some great suggestions.

To give you a little background on my situation:

I took the December LSAT (been scoring in the low-to mid 150s and should have probably not taken it either way, since my goal score is in the 160s) and got a devastating score in the low 140s.

Before this I had been studying for about 5-6 months, with 2-3 months intense study (quit my job the last two months to dedicate time to a big move and my LSAT studies). I've studied with the LSAT trainer and all three Powerscore books and took about 20 PTs total.

I took off some time to mentally recuperate from this disappointment, decided to pick the books back up and study for the June LSAT. I just purchased the Manhattan LR book, because I've heard some better reviews on this compared to the Powerscore books and I need some fresh material.

LG is my strength, LR is pretty much hit or miss, and RC is too. I'd really like to get to a point where I'm getting close to -1 or -2 in LG (I was at around -3 or -4 at my best) and strengthen my LR skills to improve in that department as well. I've kind of given up on RC and am going to focus on my time management mainly to get through all passages and score points that way.

Now I'm wondering if a June LSAT will be feasible to reach my 160s goal, or if I should give myself some more time and rather shoot for September? I'm also not sure how to get back into studying, as I'm finding myself easily discouraged/unmotivated when I try to get back into it. Any suggestions on this? I know it's mental laziness and I probably just need to get it back together. I now work a full-time 8-5 job.

Also, should I still focus on basic skills and revisit lectures and books to strengthen those, or should I mainly focus on PT's and PT BR from here on out? I'm not sure how to attack this, but I know I have to do it differently this time around.

Thanks!

Jennifer

I started taking the course in January and am now two PTs in. The first was on Monday, a 153 which was 6 points higher than my diagnostic, giving me a much needed confidence boost. However, my LG score was -10, definitely a black spot. Yesterday, however, I scored an abysmal 150 mainly because I scored a -15 (!) on the LG section. The worst is that when I watch the video explanations I can immediately tell why I messed up: my diagramming. I simply did not illustrate the rules well, which was disheartening since once I knew how to diagram I can get almost every question right obviously.

I don't know what to do right now. Do I stop my PTing until I have a firm grasp on LG? If so, how exactly do I go about improving? Should I still take my PT next week? My self esteem and confidence have sunk. My goal is to break the 160 barrier by test day, a score that I hope is within my reach. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Hi everyone!

First off, I'd like to say that I've been on 7Sage since 2014 and really admire and respect this community. You are all extremely dedicated and talented, and you motivate me to work harder, better, and smarter.

That being said, I need some advice: I took the Feb. 2016 LSAT, and scored a 171. My GPA is 3.78, and I'm reaching for the T-14.

I've taken the LSAT once before (June 2014, the dreaded PT 72!) and cancelled, so this was my second admin.

I'm wondering if I should retake it in June, given that my PT average was 173. I know that 171 is a respectable score, yet in terms of scholarship $$$ and the potential to hit an even higher score, I'm wondering if it's worth another go.

I'm hesitant because I know that schools like Columbia, Stanford, and Berkeley may not favor a third take (unless you scored way below target on the first two and/or cancelled, etc.)

What do you all think? I welcome any and all advice. Thanks =)

"the author assumes one reason when others could be plausible"

Can you tell me the name of this flaw? Thanks in advance!

Hey guys! First of all a huge thank you to the 7sage community -- you guys have definitely been instrumental throughout this whole LSAT monkey business. I started studying last year and sat for my first take in Dec. Maybe I was nervous, maybe game 3 was a doozy but I scored 165, which was 2 points below my diagnostic (Preptest A). I had been averaging 173/174 before Dec so I decided to retake. By February I was averaging 175/176 and ended up with a 173.

My concern is that I'm a splitter. My GPA (3.45) is well below the 25ths of most schools I'm looking at, so I know I have to pull off an LSAT in the 75th. Do I retake and try to pull a 175+? How bad does a third take look?

I'm not applying until fall of next year so I have plenty of time, but a retake would be significatly harder to arrange because I will be abroad and would have to travel to another country for a testing center.

Anyway, would a few more points be worth it?

*I am also URM, which might affect admission chances

Hi guys,

Looking for some advice. I didn't take a diagnostic at the beginning of my prep and am now wishing I did just to have some sort of number in my head. I have been doing very light prep and really only worked on basic sequencing logic games, so I'm wondering if I still should? My concern is that this limited prep will inflate my diagnostic somewhat and I would like to have it be sort of a raw score. Part of me says screw it and keep prepping and achieve numbers once I start PT's, but part of me wants to know. What do you think I should do? Thanks!

Splitting the Boards with Sage Corey Janson

Thursday, March 3rd | 9pm ET

Sage Corey (176) takes on one of the hottest logic games topics of all times: When to split the boards! I won't spoil anything for you by telling you his answer (hint: it's not "all the time.")

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Proctors: The proctors were very nice but also very strict about items allowed in the room. I was forced to throw away an energy drink because it had text on the outside and many people were similarly asked to throw away food items, etc.

Facilities: Very easy to navigate. There were restrooms, drinking fountains, and other facilities typical of a campus building.

What kind of room: It was a typical law forum room shaped in a semi-circle with tiered row seating.

How many in the room: About 20 test takers

Desks: Continuous desks throughout each row which provided more than enough room to feel comfortable.

Left-handed accommodation: Yes.

Noise levels: Low.

Parking: Parking was fairly straight forward and easy. The meters to buy your parking pass were sort of difficult to find at first but they're located near the elevators. Parking only cost about $5 for 12 hours so it was relatively cheap.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About 30-45 minutes.

Irregularities or mishaps: Someone's phone went off during the test and he was removed. Leave your phone in your car, it's not worth the risk!

Other comments: The classroom was very comfortable and the "continuous" desks in the room provided substantial room.

Would you take the test here again? Yes, absolutely.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

February 2016

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Thursday, Mar 3rd at 8PM ET: PT 71

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Hi Everyone!

Just a heads up. Got the below email from Cambridge LSAT regarding their LSAT content.

"You may have seen the announcement on our website, but just in case, please see the points below.

Our license to sell LSAT materials to the "general public" has been revoked, and as of August 15th, we will no longer be selling official PrepTest content in either digital form or paperback form. Should you have any questions about LSAC's digital content policy, please inquire with them directly.

We will continue to offer downloadable explanations for a broad range of PrepTests.

Our bookstore will remain open for purchase of mostly non-Cambridge paperbacks and Kindle eBooks.

We have a very limited number of the Ultimate LSAT Prep Package (paperback) bundle at a special discount. These won't last long!

Complete explanations for the Official LSAT PrepTest 75 (June 2015) are available for instant download.

It has been our pleasure providing high-quality downloadable materials over the past six years, and unfortunately, there wasn't a way to both satisfy LSAC's requirements and keep our downloads free from onerous restrictions. If you feel, like we do, that LSAC's digital policy is unnecessarily restrictive and harms students preparing for the test, please voice your disapproval. If enough students express discontent with the status quo, LSAC might reconsider its position.

Sincerely,

Cambridge LSAT"

TL;DR their license expires on August 15th so if you plan on using Cambridge for drilling and/or tests, plan to buy before then!

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