I'm still unclear on why I am to negate sufficient when I come across unless, or should it just introduce the necessary condition?

"K cannot be selected for honor roll, unless H is selected to honor roll."

would I take H selected and move it to the sufficient and negate it?

/H ---->/K or contrapositive K----->H

or would it simply be

K----->H right from the start and have the "unless" introduce the necessary?

Please Help!!!

I am somewhat struggling with diagramming sufficient and necessary conditions with logical reasoning. Some i can answer and some has me a little confused. Are there any tips that could help me understand this? I’m not on 7 sage core curriculum i am studying with LSATMAX, but i also have powerscore bibles and a book called the LSAT trainer that just came in. If anyone could please help me i would greatly appreciate it.

Hey everyone,I noticed when I time myself doing a section / question I get more concerned about the time then the question itself. If I don’t time it (keep timer nearby but not checking it ) I end up doing it faster and more accurately. Is this common ? Should I just not keep checking the time and develop a good pace ? Also should I bubble in answers after every page ? General timing strategies also appreciated. Thanks

Hello friends,

I was planning to take the LSATs in September/November but as it seems, plans have changed.

I received an amazing job opportunity that I cannot pass up, however I don’t want to give up on the law school dream. I had been studying diligently for 6 months and would like to keep going if possible. The difference is, the pressure and intensity is no longer there. I’m not really sure if this is good or bad yet..

Anyway, I’m reaching out for advice regarding what a long-term study plan with no foreseeable test date in mind look like?

I suspect many of us were in the opposite scenario where we planned to take a test by a certain date but found that we needed more time to study. I now find myself in a situation where I have no end date in mind and have limited time per day to study over an undetermined period.

I might take the LSATs in a year, 2 years, no idea. Or of course some of you might just suggest I keep going now and take the test in November or March anyway.

How do I stay sharp when my study schedule is now so spread out over time? How do you stay motivated with no clear objective test date? What would you recommend for someone worried about spreading out the study process so that by the time I learn X, I would have forgotten about Y because it was months ago? Sometimes, it seems like the LSAT prep prices requires an all out effort or I shouldn’t waste my time.

I’m hoping that those of you who studied for over 1-2 years can share some advice about what worked well and not so well. Thoughts on a study schedule, etc

Any feedback would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

I'm not sure if this is the correct place? Are we allowed to ask questions about individual questions? If it's not allowed (sorry!) let me know and I will delete this thread, or someone can take appropriate action.

Assuming this is all kosher, I don't understand why the answer is A for this question. This was one of those questions where I thought all of the answer choices seemed wrong--I was stuck between B and D, and didn't even consider A. I ruled out A because I thought the stimulus was talking about a hypothetical situation where the patients with a greater tendency to laugh weren't laughing a lot, so why would the answer be that it doesn't take into account that they laughed more?

Is A correct because when people, whose tendencies to laugh are greater, "laugh a little" they laugh MORE than other patients who laugh a greater amount than usual, but still less than the laughy people laughing less? (I thought this greater amount meant that they were laughing more than the people who have the tendency to laugh more. Is it that they are laughing a greater amount than they usually laugh? If so then I guess I understand A...)

Sorry this isn't super succinct but I am hella confused, any help would be appreciated!

Admin note: edited title

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-3-question-07/

What type(s) of law are you most interested in practicing and why?

Criminal law with family law a distant second. I'm fascinated with all things crime and found law to be the safest and most intellectually stimulating way to make a living in crime. I've wanted to practice criminal law since I was a kid.

If not practicing law, what other profession/career would you pursue (or do you already have)?

Photography. I tried portrait photography and, while I enjoy most of the work involved, I found that I really don't have the patience to deal with most types of people when it comes to client relations. Also, I suck at sales. Instead, I've been focusing my efforts in stock photography but it's incredibly challenging to earn even a meager living shooting stock, so it's more of a hobby that pays a little.

I'll go first -

Constance Baker Motley

First African American female lawyer appointed to the federal judiciary.

Columbia Law School Grad, '46

Civil Rights activist who represented MLK

NY State Senator

All around bad-ass

hi there! I'm curious to know where everyone scheduled to take the 9/8/18 test is in terms of studying - are you PTing? still working on the CC? drilling LGs?

I was originally scheduled to take the 7/23/18 test but realized that I wasn't likely going to be ready for it so just pushed it back to September. I'm nearly finished with the CC (finishing up LG section) and will start PTing within the next two weeks. I've been trying to follow the study scheduled generated by 7sage but I'm currently about two weeks behind, which makes me nervous. but I'm pressing forward, studying at least 4-6 hours each day.

oh, also - how do you manage LG drilling, LR and RC practice, and PTing at the same time? I was planning on PTing in the morning, BR in the afternoon/evening (3 days each week, if possible), then 3 days each week alternating between LR and RC practice with LG drilling on all 3 days. I realize this sounds like an ambitious schedule and admittedly won't be able to stick with it all of the time due to personal obligations - if you would suggest any modifications, what would they be?

Hi everyone,

Whenever I take practice tests I don't actively parse out the stimulus like JY shows us in the CC. I might make a quick line or circle to note the conclusion indicator and then proceed to scan the answer choices. Is that the proper approach?

Thanks in advance!

So I am watching the Webinar on Weakening and Strengthening questions and I have a questions about the first question. The first question is a strengthening question and I have typed the stimulus and answer choices below.

Stimulus: Several years ago, as a measure to reduce the population of gypsy moths, which depended on oak leaves for food, entomologists introduced into many oak forests a species of fungus that is poisonous to gypsy moth caterpillars. Since then, the population of both caterpillars and adult moths has significantly declined in those areas. Entomologists have concluded that the decline is attributable to the presence of poisonous fungus.

A. A strain of gypsy moths whose caterpillars are unaffected by the fungus has increased its share of the total gypsy population.

B. The fungus that was introduced to control the gypsy moth population is poisonous to few insect species other than the gypsy moth.

C. An increase in numbers of both gypsy moth caterpillars and gypsy moth adults followed a drop in the number of some of the species that prey on the moths.

D. In the past several years, air pollution and acid rain have been responsible for substantial decline in oak tree populations

E. The current decline in gypsy moth population in forests where the fungus was introduced is no greater than a decline that occurred concurrently in other forests. (I thought that this was the answer.)

Questions

I know that with strengthening questions you are looking for the answer choice that strengthens the argument and blocks the alternative. I am a little confused on what exactly does it mean to block the alternative. After looking at the explanation of the webinar video for this question it seems as if blocking the alternative is an answer choice that provides another alternative. Is that correct? I believe that the whole concept of "blocking the alternative" is going over my head and I would like further clarification on this strategy. In addition, can someone explain how A strengthens the argument....A does not seem like it supports thew conclusion if the conclusion is saying that the fungus contributes to the decline of moths and A is talking about that the population increased.

September'18 Study Group | Blind Review PT 47 | Thursday, June 21st | 7:30 pm EST

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1891436d565c0c97731a10b86aa90122/tenor.gif?itemid=5876603

(Everytime I take a PT)

If you are done the curriculum or almost done the curriculum, join us when you can. We welcome people in all stages of prep. The point of the group is to get your lsat nerd on with other like-minded people and make the process more fun. Expand your thinking and learning by interacting with others! For my fellow shy-people, everyone is going to be focused on their own answers/questions that I guarantee you they will not be judging you based on mispronounced words, reading-speed, etc. It's all for fun!

Note: Take the PT under timed conditions; BR to the best of your abilities; join us for all or part of the call! For the purposes of the group please don't check the answers beforehand. If you happen to know the answer, keep it to yourself, and win the argument using your reasoning. Also, please don't go "so I know the answer is C but I don't know why B is wrong?" as the purpose is so that we all collaborate on improving our reasoning skills.

Enter the questions you wish to go over on the spreadsheet below! Write your name beside the question(s) you wish to cover, if the question(s) you want to cover are already marked by someone else, add your name! :) The more discussion, the merrier.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ZoI9Nu-8SmhPh_MBpz8W6hEcDV1CyhZJVPKDQ7s08E/edit?usp=sharing

Tentative Schedule: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=keets993@gmail.com&ctz=America/Toronto

September 18 Study Group

Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.

https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/879623125

You can also dial in using your phone.

United States: +1 (224) 501-3412

Access Code: 879-623-125

Joining from a video-conferencing room or system?

Dial: 67.217.95.2##879623125

Cisco devices: 879623125@67.217.95.2

First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check

Note: I will not be sharing my screen so please have the material in front of you.

After finishing the CC, it seems like the thing to do is go through PTs 1-35 fully and THEN start the untouched PTs. Since the study schedule doesn't actually take into account the time that would be spent on PTs 1-35 (it shows 0 min for each, as well as for the drills), how long did it take to go through them? I know a lot of the questions have already been taught in the CC.

I took my first preptest yesterday and I was disappointed with my score. For all of the questions that I got wrong I was able to eliminate all of the answer choices that I knew for sure were wrong. Then, I narrowed the answer choices down to two. However, I kept picking the wrong answer choice out of the two. This is frustrating because the correct answer is always one of the two that I was able to narrow it down to. However, I kept picking the wrong answer choice instead of the correct one. Is anyone else having this problem? If so, what can I do to fix it?

Thanks!

hey all,

so i've heard ppl say really good things about recording yourself taking a PT.

quick question - do you video record yourself for every PT you do?

or do you only video record yourself once in a while?

it's kinda a hassle to video record oneself... so i would love any thoughts/advice/comments on this. thanks!

I’ve been looking through many logical reasoning weaken questions and I’ve trying to look for patterns. The only one I found was correlation—> causation. I was wondering if there are any other common patterns that would be discernible in the stimulus for the questions.

Im really struggling with SA questions, does anybody have any tips to help me out?

Hey guys. I recently got to the Grouping Games section of the CC and am moving through them decently. I'm doing my fool proofing and everything and was just wondering if I should be putting these games that I am doing via the CC into my tracker on excel? I assume I should be in order to keep track of them, but also am wondering if it's hurting me because the 2nd attempt of them, which I do right after is almost guaranteed to at least be 6/7 correct. So I'm really just wondering if I'm cheating myself ultimately by doing this? So one of my main questions is should I be utilizing the tracker mainly once I am done the CC LG sections or begin to do that as I am going through the CC? Thanks

How can you get better at Flaw questions? I always isolate the premise(s) and the conclusion, and know that you are suppose to weaken the link between the premise and the conclusion. But a lot of times, I just don't know how/can't prephrase. So I go to the answer choices and then almost always end up picking the tricky wrong answer (i.e. descriptively accurate but is not actually the flaw). I have done this part of the CC and have completed some of the Flaw problem sets.

Hi y'all! I read your discussion on GRE for application but just wonder what do you all think about whether GRE or LSAT might be better for me. I majored in Biology and had a high uGPA (3.9+). People say STEM majors tend to have an advantage in GRE. What if I take both and apply with a 25th percentile LSAT for Columbia but a high GRE verbal (168-169 out of 170)?

Thanks in advance!

I realize there's likely a bunch of old threads about this, but what are some of everyone's favorite lines from JY? A recent one for me comes from PT 75.1.19.

I just finished the last RC lesson and it just hit me that it's time to kick start PTing, drilling, BRing intensely, and FPing. Idk why but I have such a strange feeling I can't explain?? I've really centered my entire life around this test where on my days off I feel guilty and even in moments where I'm relaxing I feel terrible! Just wondering how you guys cope with all these feelings of excitement, anxiety, and moments of disappointment during the process? Side note, I'm on vacation visiting an uncle in NY and he called me a weirdo for skipping a day of exploring to study for the LSAT. No joke.

#help

I was wondering if anyone could provide/explain the general set of rules for this statement: Nothing that one should have desired in the first place fails to be a pleasure.

D: Nothing that one should have desired in the first place

P: Fails to be a pleasure

JY wrote the statements like so (/D -> P), but I was wondering if someone could help explain? I am confused why only one of the statements is negated.

Hey all,

So i hear that recording yourself take a PT is super helpful and highly recommended. I have a few questions that I think I have some answers (recording helps with pacing, etc.) but I would love to hear everyone else's thoughts/advice.

i also think some previous threads touched on some of these thoughts. if you could reply with any threads you think are relevant, that'll be super helpful too!

Thanks all!

I foolproofed every game from PT 19-38. Then I shifted my focus to Logical Reasoning and I've found I'm slower than I was at the height of my foolproofing. Will this speed come back if I incorporate a LG section into my prep every day? I suppose I'm worried I might regress while studying for LR and RC.

Hey everyone, I was looking for some guidance from the "more experienced" users of the website. Is it worth learning the logical structures of arguments? Rather, perhaps I mean to say, identify the structure of the argument."

If P then Q

Q

Therefore P

If P then Q

P

Therefore Q

I understand how understanding structure may aid in identifying the validity of the argument, but does anyone "actually" find themselves identifying the argument structure for anything else?

I'd like to also extend my question to fallacies as well.

Has anyone found the automatisation of these useful in their studies for the LSAT. . . or . . . believe they would have been useful to know while actually writing the test?

Regards,

Lucas