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Without giving too much away, as I'm not finished BR'ing yet, can someone give me an example of a simple argument that exemplifies the flaw noted in answer choice D (draws a conclusion about how the world actually is on the basis of claims about how it should be)?
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Just started doing the questions from the problem sets. Should I use only the 1:24 time for each question to start out with? Or should I allow myself a longer time, say 2 minutes? Or not time myself at all to start out with?
Hey everyone,
I recently completed the June LSAT and scored a 169. I know it's a good score, but it was under my target of 170, so I've decided to take it again in September before applying in October.
So far I've only studied on my own (that is, without a formal class), using LSAT PrepTest books and the logic games tutorials provided on this website. I've gotten pretty good at logic games, consistently scoring between 0-2. However, I'm less consistent at logical reasoning and reading comprehension. On average, I miss 3 per section, but it can vary between 0-6. I was regularly scoring 170-173 in the timed preptests I took leading up to the June LSAT, but I performed poorly on the reading comprehension section, which led to me scoring below my practice scores.
I'm now considering buying the LSAT Ultimate + course in order to guide my study over the next two months. I can spend 15 hours per week studying for the LSAT. So I'm wondering: is buying the LSAT Ultimate + worth it in terms of nailing down consistency in scoring in the low 170s in LR and RC? And if so, what what you recommend I focus on given the time available to me to study?
my question is : why don't more ppl quit their jobs to study for the LSAT -- if they are financially able to do so?
i understand that for many ppl, they need to work to pay off loans, living expenses, etc (which are all reasons to do have a job). But I'm more asking for those who have enough savings, family support, etc (where finances would not be a problem).
I'm in favor of part-time work and volunteering when full-time studying for the LSAT (much needed mental breaks is important). But what I'm really confused is why people with demanding 60-hour a week jobs who can't get enough LSAT studying in don't just quit their jobs to study for the LSAT?
the LSAT is the most important part of your application. It's like weighted 4-5 times more than your GPA.
If someone has military experience, tons of prestigious extracurricular activities and awards, and other additional amazing work experiences, but has a 150 LSAT score, it's going to be really tough to get into a t14 law school.
Contrast that to a K-JD candidate who has no work experience but a 175 LSAT score -- who will most likely get into many if not most of the T14.
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A 170+ LSAT score can literally change your life -- and save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. It will allow you attend a T14 law school and open up many many doors to you --BigLaw, federal clerkships, etc. Many T-20 law schools will also give you full scholarships worth up to $200,000 for a 170+ LSAT score.
Given how important the LSAT is, why don't more people devote themselves to it? The expected rate of return for a 170+ LSAT score and its impact it'll have on saving you money (potentially 200k) and opening up doors for you is MUCH MORE than working as paralegal making 30k a year and not having enough time to adequately prep for the LSAT.
We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test.
Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?
Financially, those 50 hours are much more valuable when used studying for the LSAT (considering how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you'll potentially save with a 170+ Lsat score)
For BR, do u watch JY video/check answer right after you BR just 1question, or do u wait till you BR the entire section to then check answers and watch videos?
Sometimes after I spend like 10 minutes BRing a question, I really wanna know right after whether I got that question right/and whether my thought process was correct, so I immediately watch JY’s video. That way, my thought process is fresh in my mind and I can compare how I thought to JY’s explanation.
Is it ok to do this, or should I first BR all the questions in the section first before I check answers and watch JY’s videos?
I’ve already taken it and was wondering if I should take a diagnostic before starting to study again or if I could rely on my last official LSAT score as my diagnostic. It was last month’s administration so very recent. Thank you!
Hey 7sagers,
When I have a conditional rule, do I have to test the conditional rule AND it's contrapositive in the rule testing type questions (the ones that frequently occur as the first question in each game)? Experience tells me the answer is no but I'm not sure why. Could someone explain?
Hey 7sagers,
I realize this is a very specific question but it seems to be a problem that I keep getting stuck on so I wanted to ask for advice. I have noticed this problem occurs specifically in1) sequencing/grouping games that have rules using conditional logic. 2) The questions that inevitably need to be solved using "brute force" as JY would say (can't be solved with just inferences). Essentially, how should I brute force these questions when there are conditional logic rules? Should I fulfill the sufficient condition and test? Necessary condition and let the sufficient fall away? Both?
Thanks so much!
This is a somewhat off topic post, but I recently decided to check out Stanford's free online philosophy encyclopedia (plato.stanford.edu) and found it to be a tremendous resource. It contains a staggering amount of posts on theories/thinkers ranging from antiquity to now (there's a ton of material for any nerds of legal theory) and, considering some of the subject matter, is written in a clear and understandable way. If you ever have some spare time and are even remotely interested I'd recommend checking it out at some point
Hello, I just finished my CC, took 36, 37, and improved 10 points from the last PT of another company (Smh on my poor bank account...). I am still aiming to improve much more until September...
Anyways, I've improved greatly on LG and RC, but not too much on LR. I am continually doing BR right after the timed PTs.
My study schedule says I should be taking 3-4 PTs a week... I don't think this is very realistic and effective.
I'm taking time off from literally everything, but with BR, I may be able to squeeze in 3 PTs, but for sure, 2 solid PTs.
My ultimate goal is to take the September exam, but I'll also be taking the one in July.
I believe these two are my available options:
If so, how many, and which ones to skip over?
or
If so, also, how many per week?
Also, if you have any suggestions in terms of improving LR, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm thinking that I should just go back to the CC and look for drills for those sections...
Thank you!!
Does anyone else have difficulty with the mss/inference questions on reading comp? I always feel like the answer I select is never the one best supported by the text because I don’t make the correct inferences or because the answer was somewhere else in the passage.
Is this an example of a poor comparison of laws at one time vs the present? I just can't seem to make the connection here. Thoughts?
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Hi!
I've started my 7Sage course this week and I've just finished up until learning how to BR. I guess the serious business only starts after that.
I'm registered for the October LSAT in Abu Dhabi (hence the odd date) and aiming for a 170+. I did a diagnostic from Khan Academy and got a 150.
With barely 3 months to study, do you have tips on how to best optimize my studying? Initially I thought of spending 2 months on the CC and then PT-ing in the month to follow.
Also I'll add, I realise that I am studying at an extremely slow pace, slower than the time stamps next to each topic :(
I don't know...please help!
So, anyone got suggestions how to stay sane with adhering to the course and somewhat progressing during gap year(s)?
I initially had planned on taking the September 2018 exam but life decided to show me that "adulting" is more important.
How do some of you balance working/finding work that would "beef up your resume" while studying for this monster of an exam?
I'm aiming to try to get into USC or UCLA for Fall 2019 or 2020.
I did the SA/PSA lessons and seemed to be somewhat slow and only got about 85% of all the problems in the lessons correct. I've found that it helps to just think of them as strengthening questions at first and attempt to find an assumption that will strengthen the argument, then use logic if it seems too difficult. Is this a viable method or will it come back to bite me if I don't just learn to drill out SA/PSA questions with logic (i.e. will it lessen my chances of getting more difficult SA/PSA questions correct, slow me down with these problems, etc.)?
I saw someone post a while back about how they would, given their reading speed, read RC passages twice before tackling the questions. I'm curious what others think of this strategy since I've struggled with slowing my reading pace down.
I took the September 2017 LSATs after almost a year's worth of studying with the Kaplan LSAT prep. I was devastated after scoring a 155, because I felt that the score did not reflect the amount of energy and dedication I poured into studying for the LSATs. I had to stop studying for a couple months because of the sheer disappointment and lack of confidence I felt. I decided to try 7sage after my friend recommended it. I didn't have much hope for it because I would only have 4 months of studying for the June LSATs (started studying with 7sage on Jan). During and even after the exam I didn't feel so hot but I ended up with a 166. I know many people here have scored much higher but I was so elated and happy with my score. I credit it to 7sage and the 7sage community, hope everyone who took their June LSATs are happy with their scores as well. I just wanted to say if I improved, anyone has the potential to.
I just finished the causation and phenomenon portion of the course. For the most part I understand the concepts, but I was only averaging 4/5 correct on the problem sets. Should I take the time now to review these types of questions or is it best to just continue through the course?
I was lazily scrolling through NBA instagram while procrastinating my BR and what with all of the free agency rumors and team changes going on, I noticed MANY conditional statements throughout as well as some slightly convoluted arguments/hypotheses.
Here are a few of the best ones I found that I wanted to share with you all, as proof that the LSAT invades every aspect of our lives!! Feel free to work out the logic translations if you want to. Hopefully some NBA fans (and maybe even non-fans) can find some enjoyment from this.
Starting off simple:
Regarding trading Kawhi Leonard to the Lakers:
same post comments, continued
Argument regarding what the Celtics should do to compete with GSW:
My favorite:
People are upset:
I'm also happy to explain/give more context to anyone who is curious about what in the world is going on.
I’m curious as to how long i.e. how many months you are studying for prior to taking the LSAT.
I've been studying since April. just took the June test, I wanted to use it as a benchmark to see how the test was/how I would do. I signed up for the July test, but after some studying I realized it might be better to wait until September to take it again. I missed the cutoff date for the refund though. Should I just take July and September or take the loss and cancel July?
With regards to Canadian Law schools should you let the schools know you are also taking the nov lsat if the deadline to apply is November 1st. Or will they be able to see that you are registered to take it . Thank you
Hi all,
Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this. I have been studying for the last 6 months and am set to take the July test in a couple weeks. Depending on the score I get, I had planned on taking the September test as well. However, I just found out a dear friend is getting married on September 8th, the exact same day..
What are everyone's thoughts on taking the November test for this coming cycle? Is it too late? I will have already taken the July test, and will have already applied to most/all of my schools by then. Really curious if people think it is worth it to take the November test for the coming cycle with a July test already on the books.
Thanks!
Hi guys.
My subscription is expiring this week, so I just thought I'd say thanks before I go. Even though I didn't post much, this website and community were instrumental to my LSAT improvement over the last year. I went from a 163 diagnostic, to 168 in September, and finally to a 172 in June. With my 3.5ish GPA, even that four point improvement at the end was a huge boost to my admissions chances. I was actually only shooting for a 170 when I signed up for 7sage.
I improved so much in LG with the foolproofing method, and the analytics tool helped me pinpoint and address my other problem areas. 7sage works! Blind review and foolproofing work! I couldn't have done it without 7sage. Keep working and you'll get your target score.
Sometimes it didn't feel like I was improving much, but it's just a slow, slow process. Looking back, I think I improved about one point per month of study, but sometimes that improvement was masked by the +-3 pt fluctuations between practice tests. I definitely had periods where I was consistently scoring below where I should have been -- for example, in April I had a string of 168s, right after I had been consistently scoring in the low-mid 170s. Don't get discouraged by that stuff -- you know you're improving!
Also: I have to rag on Powerscore before I go. The Powerscore LG Bible overcomplicates logic games. I definitely prefer the way that JY teaches them. It is not helpful to spend hours and hours learning how to organize logic games into tiny, discrete categories. Actually doing timed logic games is what will help you get to -0.
Thanks guys! Peace out.
I was originally scheduled to take the LSAT at Montclair State but got notified about a month out that I was rescheduled to a hotel in Newark (the Hilton I think) and that didn't sound appealing to me at all. I'd read too many LSAT hotel horror stories. I wrote to LSAC and they agreed to my request to change to Seton Hall (which is actually closer to my home) without issue or fee.
Proctors: My proctors were fine - a little whispery once or twice but nothing major. Felt very rote and by the book, no real issues.
Facilities: The test was held in Stafford Hall which is a new, clean building full of classrooms. There were probably about 20 people assigned to each room and everyone was pretty spaced out by a desk or two, not at all crowded. Desks were standard size, comfortable enough for booklet and answer sheet.
What kind of room: see above
How many in the room: see above
Desks: see above
Left-handed accommodation: n/a
Noise levels: My individual classroom was very quiet and the students were respectful and orderly
Parking: There was copious free parking in a parking deck very close to the test building
Time elapsed from arrival to test: This was the worst! My only major complaint was a ridiculous wait in a long line that went outside the building and wound down and around another building. I arrived at noon and waited in the already long formed line for a full 40 minutes before any one was let in the building. This sucked! It was hot and everyone was pretty edgy - it's a crappy way to lead up to the test, waiting forever outside standing in line with no updates or idea what was going on. Once inside - we quickly found our names and room assignments. Check in was smooth from that point forward.
Irregularities or mishaps: Nothing after long wait to get in.
Other comments:
Would you take the test here again? Sure - since the accommodations were good other than the ridiculous wait.
Date[s] of Exam[s]: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:00