I read the stimuli 10 hundred times. I started questioning the first statement, "can now receive a special discount". It didn't say only members of the club would receive and that's how I got to D. Also bump Pat for finding a loophole.
Based on this question and the one before, i should start reading the entire stimulus first before trying to translate anything lol. I think my overall comprehension of the passage wouldve been much clearer had i done that. Thus, helping me make more accurate translations. The explanation was so simple imo, but i jumped to conclusions that werent even relevant. fahhh
@mahi0615 I feel the same way it doesnt really help me to create a map. Just reading the stimulus carefully and making sure I understand what it says deliberately has been most effective.
@mahi0615 Right, don't take any kind of visual that appears in an explanation as a suggestion that you should solve it the same or that you're "supposed" to draw something out. It's purely for the purpose of explanation, because some students have a hard time understanding conditional statements from a purely verbal explanation.
On a timed exam, high scorers are diagramming AT MOST 1 or 2 questions on a section.
Speaking of grammar parsing, and therefore being the least popular guy at the party, the first sentence says member CAN receive a coupon. My mind interpreted that to also mean that non-members DON'T receive the coupon. I was about to select the correct answer when the thought came rushing into my head and crushed my dreams...fucking Pat..anywho, is CAN interchangeable with MAY? Did my brain make CAN too heavy of a lift by thinking CAN is interchangeable with ONLY? Just want to make sure because if I start off with the confidence that CAN=MAY, I get this question right.
@ArthurWasilewski reading this question lit a lightbulb because I was thinking the same thing. So, if members of the club can receive coupons, other non-members can receive it as well. I may be wrong but receiving a coupon is a sufficient condition, it guarantees that only the superset of members can redeem it at only those 2 locations. But since pat, who received a coupon, cannot redeem it at the only 2 stores that members can, then we can infer that Pat is one of the non-members that CAN receive a coupon. idk if that helps, but writing this out did help me.
@rmuriel66 Yes, that kind of sounds how this logic was structured. I should have known better because in my previous career, operators like can, must, shall, will, may--they all had very specific meanings in understanding policy and, for the life of me, I simply forgot all of those meanings!
For me, throwing terms into the domain really helped on this question.
Domain: Members of the VideoKing Frequent Viewers Club
All of the derived conditionals from the passage, besides for the last sentence, fall into the domain. However, with Pat, there is no indication that she falls in or out of the domain.
All the passage says is that
she did not satisfy the 10+ videos in the past month
She recieves a discount from said(walnut) location.
Therefore, at least some (includes 1) person gets a discount while not being a member of the domain.
Maybe this was luck I do not know. But it made sense to me.
@FultonHoover While I get where you're going here, I believe the important word to look out for here is "can." The stim never says ONLY members of the club can receive the coupon, it only specifies that they CAN receive it. That is not a guarantee for club members, and so we know nothing about the coupon's exclusivity.
Gahhh D is so easy if you read carefully. I glossed over the fact that Pat didn't adhere to the Member rules! It truly is essential to make sure you understand everything being said.
I agree! I literally mapped it out and was so adamant about the Member part but then I remembered that it only applied to the locations if you were a member. I got it right first try but only because I realized the common denominator! Such an annoying question.
Im confused because the first setence states that members of the club can recieve the coupon. I assumed Pat had to be a member since he got the coupon. I guess because it did not say "All" members that some people who are not can get the coupon
2:26 over but I got it right... almost picked C but remembered to not assume what isn't presented to me in the stimulus!! I think with more practice I will be able to answer these types of questions using less time.
@jaffri I was 1:51 over and mainly because I as going between C and D too. I think it is better now that we take our time to really understand and get the questions right then we can focus on going faster. Good job!
at what point is it worth spending 4.5 minutes on a question even if you get it right? Serious question, timing will be my main obstacle and tips on that for questions like these would be appreciated :)
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I read the stimuli 10 hundred times. I started questioning the first statement, "can now receive a special discount". It didn't say only members of the club would receive and that's how I got to D. Also bump Pat for finding a loophole.
Everyone is talking about Pat, but no one is talking about how bad of a deal the VideoKing Frequent Viewers club is.
I was torn between two, didn't get it on the first, but got it right on Blind review.
pat got me smh
Based on this question and the one before, i should start reading the entire stimulus first before trying to translate anything lol. I think my overall comprehension of the passage wouldve been much clearer had i done that. Thus, helping me make more accurate translations. The explanation was so simple imo, but i jumped to conclusions that werent even relevant. fahhh
loved the F bombs in this vid lmaooo
sorry mapping and conditionals is a no for me! I just read the stimulus and got it right away. I think sometimes the chaining confuses you even more!
@mahi0615 I feel the same way it doesnt really help me to create a map. Just reading the stimulus carefully and making sure I understand what it says deliberately has been most effective.
@AdamPrice0311 Agreed. I feel like I use it when the language is really convoluted otherwise, I don't need to use it for these types of questions.
@mahi0615 Right, don't take any kind of visual that appears in an explanation as a suggestion that you should solve it the same or that you're "supposed" to draw something out. It's purely for the purpose of explanation, because some students have a hard time understanding conditional statements from a purely verbal explanation.
On a timed exam, high scorers are diagramming AT MOST 1 or 2 questions on a section.
@Kevin_Lin agreed.
I love that for Pat, not you got a coupon anyway
I over thought the question and got it wrong.
Got it right but damn Who tf are you Pat to just walk all over the rules and just YOINK the coupon like that
Speaking of grammar parsing, and therefore being the least popular guy at the party, the first sentence says member CAN receive a coupon. My mind interpreted that to also mean that non-members DON'T receive the coupon. I was about to select the correct answer when the thought came rushing into my head and crushed my dreams...fucking Pat..anywho, is CAN interchangeable with MAY? Did my brain make CAN too heavy of a lift by thinking CAN is interchangeable with ONLY? Just want to make sure because if I start off with the confidence that CAN=MAY, I get this question right.
@ArthurWasilewski reading this question lit a lightbulb because I was thinking the same thing. So, if members of the club can receive coupons, other non-members can receive it as well. I may be wrong but receiving a coupon is a sufficient condition, it guarantees that only the superset of members can redeem it at only those 2 locations. But since pat, who received a coupon, cannot redeem it at the only 2 stores that members can, then we can infer that Pat is one of the non-members that CAN receive a coupon. idk if that helps, but writing this out did help me.
@rmuriel66 Yes, that kind of sounds how this logic was structured. I should have known better because in my previous career, operators like can, must, shall, will, may--they all had very specific meanings in understanding policy and, for the life of me, I simply forgot all of those meanings!
Four minutes over but I got it :,)
just a horrible question
This one actually felt like a riddle wdym pat just simply wasn't a member and why didn't I think of that?
Oh I hate hate hated this question but the explanation actually helped this time
why is the 2nd premise not counted as support for B
For me, throwing terms into the domain really helped on this question.
Domain: Members of the VideoKing Frequent Viewers Club
All of the derived conditionals from the passage, besides for the last sentence, fall into the domain. However, with Pat, there is no indication that she falls in or out of the domain.
All the passage says is that
she did not satisfy the 10+ videos in the past month
She recieves a discount from said(walnut) location.
Therefore, at least some (includes 1) person gets a discount while not being a member of the domain.
Maybe this was luck I do not know. But it made sense to me.
first in my bloodline to hear Sal Khan curse
Over on time but got it right without blind review lets gooooooo
Why isn't Pat assumed to be a member of the club since the 1st sentence specifies who can receive the coupon?
Is it not a very very weak and reasonable assumption that only members can receive the coupon, since that's the domain being introduced?
@FultonHoover While I get where you're going here, I believe the important word to look out for here is "can." The stim never says ONLY members of the club can receive the coupon, it only specifies that they CAN receive it. That is not a guarantee for club members, and so we know nothing about the coupon's exclusivity.
@B_Freeze2631 I get all that, but I'm still stuck on how it is an unreasonable assumption that Pat IS a member of the club.
@FultonHoover Same
Gahhh D is so easy if you read carefully. I glossed over the fact that Pat didn't adhere to the Member rules! It truly is essential to make sure you understand everything being said.
@momalley627
I agree! I literally mapped it out and was so adamant about the Member part but then I remembered that it only applied to the locations if you were a member. I got it right first try but only because I realized the common denominator! Such an annoying question.
Im confused because the first setence states that members of the club can recieve the coupon. I assumed Pat had to be a member since he got the coupon. I guess because it did not say "All" members that some people who are not can get the coupon
B sounded good to me smh
2:26 over but I got it right... almost picked C but remembered to not assume what isn't presented to me in the stimulus!! I think with more practice I will be able to answer these types of questions using less time.
@jaffri I was 1:51 over and mainly because I as going between C and D too. I think it is better now that we take our time to really understand and get the questions right then we can focus on going faster. Good job!
at what point is it worth spending 4.5 minutes on a question even if you get it right? Serious question, timing will be my main obstacle and tips on that for questions like these would be appreciated :)