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I just took the Feb 1997 PT (my second one ever), and got what I feel is a very unusually high score. I noticed this test is not numbered consistently with the others and that 7sage placed it right after the end of the CC. Is this test just unusually easy or not representative of other PTs? I'm just curious as to why it is set apart/not used in the CC given how old it is.

Feeling Overwhelmed - curious to hear your advice and any insight.

I took Blueprint as a LSAT introduction and thought the first half of the course was helpful. Then it got too advanced and I felt like my foundation wasn't strong enough yet. I switched over to the LSAT Trainer and thought it was much better. I am still spending most of my time practicing Logic Games before tackling LR and LC. I did the first LG drill sets following the LSAT Trainer schedule for PT 72 and 73, but ended up having to look up the explanations on here. Hence, why I joined 7Sage since I felt like I still wasn't learning enough from the LSAT Trainer. Now I have my study schedule but I want to skip to Intro to LG since I've been working on LG first. Any thoughts? Should I just start over from the Intro to Arguments on here and follow the schedule?

I switched over to 7Sage after completing Testmasters about a week ago and so far the only big difference I've seen has been to read the question stem first which I will do, but I was wondering if anyone has any advice about going through the Core Curriculum again. I'm scoring a 158 and a 170 BR which is my target score. I have difficulty with timing and getting through all of Reading Comp (two to three passages total) so I wanted to try the recording technique I've read about a few times in the discussion. I wanted to know if I should skip around the CC to the reading comp parts or if I should just go through everything in order. I started studying in October (scored a 141) and my test is in July. Everything seems redundant and I don't know if I'm wasting time I could be spending on actual testing conditions (controlling my anxiety and nerves under timed conditions).

I study everyday for a couple of hours for the LSAT. My exam is in September. Is it bad that im studying everyday for hours? Tips to prevent burnout?

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I took the March test, but my goal was to take two test this year, i'm having a baby late June, and the June 3rd test seems really close, and the July test, well i'll have a newborn to deal with so I'm thinking go for the September test. (even though i wanted to avoid the digital) My game plan, is to start from scratch, zero out my CC and start from scratch really get back to the basics and get the core down 100% and then start the PTs again, does that seems like a waste of time? I need some advise here guys.

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Would it be possible for the recommended time for each game in LG to be added to the main page instead of having to click on the individual game's explanation? I'm documenting my timing and answers on a spreadsheet, and it would make it a lot easier if you would include the timing next the average score. TY

Was just wondering whether there are any students from India who are planning/would be appearing for LSAT in 2019?

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Hey 7Sagers,

We're posting on behalf of a 7Sager. They would like to get advice from you!

Hi everyone,

I'm a full-time college student in the sophomore year hoping to start law school in the fall of 2022.

My last PrepTest scores have been 140, 149, and 152. My goal score is 170. I’m planning to take the LSAT as soon as I hit a 170+ on the practice tests.

I'm wondering if anyone has been in my situation and I'm looking for advice on whether or not using 7Sage for two years would be enough to achieve my goal.

I had planned to make this post a month or so ago, but projects at work have kept me pretty busy.

As I end my LSAT/Admissions journey, I'd like to express my thanks to the people who make up 7Sage. I started on this forum after having meager results with what one YouTuber referred to as the "Holy Grail of LSAT prep." Immediately, I was welcomed into an encouraging community that was as informative as it was supportive. Of course, there's some people who have gone above and beyond in offering their support: @BinghamtonDave , @keets993 , @"Cant Get Right" , @LSATcantwin, and @Alex . I genuinely hope that I will be able to follow along as you each find your way through law school and beyond.

I'm thrilled to say that I recently accepted an offer to the University of British Columbia (UBC). Throughout my LSAT prep, getting into UBC was one of the main motivators for pushing my score, so it's reassuring to have that the time and effort pay off. It's a fantastic school, and I'm excited to be moving to Vancouver in September. (If any fellow 7Sagers out there are also beginning at UBC this September, DM me; I'd love to connect.)

Of course, there are similar posts to this one, and in each one the OP has offered some advice regarding what strategies were especially effective for him/her. Because I don't think I can add much to what people have recently offered, I'll just give one suggestion, steeped in hindsight bias. If there is one thing I wish I had implemented sooner in my prep, it is the skipping mindset advocated by @NotMyName in his 7Sage AMA (https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/18950/7sage-podcast-episode-11-7sager-notmyname-148-to-174-lsat). Going into each PT shooting for 4-5 points below my average was key to helping me overcome my "perfectionist fixation" on certain questions. It's really true that there are LSAT questions on which a quick skip should be considered a victory. After spending a few weeks developing this habit, I found that skipping some questions was actually able to contribute to feelings of confidence and control rather than anxiety and failure. Like most deities, the LSAT gods reward sacrifice. ;) For anybody out there who's still in the midst of preparation, I cannot emphasize enough how valuable are the shifting wavelengths on that podcast.

Finally, I'd like to give a massive shout-out to the tutoring services of @BinghamtonDave . Anyone who's spent a significant amount of time immersed in the 7Sage CC will tell you that one begins to hear J.Y.'s voice while taking PTs. ("'A' What!?!?! What does that even mean?!'") While this remains true for myself and LR, Dave's voice began declaring squatters right in my brain when tackling LG. Dave's knowledge of the test is outstanding, and he's a fine human being. Without Dave, I strongly doubt I would have made the cut for UBC. I cannot recommend him strongly enough.

I'll continue to hang around the forum and offer advice assistance where I can. If you have any specific questions, you're welcome to DM me. :)

Has anyone ever sat for the LSAT in less than ideal testing conditions? Let me hear your story!

Not to one up you, but......

This was my second time taking the exam. The first time was at a college with comfortable desks and a quiet atmosphere. This time it was at a hotel that was a complete mess. The exam room was near the lobby so there was a lot of traffic from hotel guests. They were very loud in the hallway. We were also close to a kitchen and you could hear the staff speaking occasionally. There were also some loud crashes with various pans falling in the kitchen area. The desks had tablecloths on them so that wasn’t the easier to use with filling in the scantron form. At the break the test taker I was sitting with agreed to remove the table cloth. But that didn’t help since the desk was wood and kept sticking to our shirts. I even got a splinter during the writing section. Fml

Hey. For some reason, I can't play any of the explanation videos. Please #help

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Im planning on taking the june lsat and the September Test for good measure. The transition to digital has made me nervous on top of the fact that my score will determine the next few years of my life (no biggie right 🥴) so im thinking about also taking the November lsat. Will that look bad? I already have a low gpa will i look desperate with 3 lsat scores under my belt? Or what if i get only do well on 1 test? How does it make me look as an applicant?

Let me be honest, hearing the word digital next to the word LSAT is daunting. So I took on the brave journey, drove 4 hours and took the 5 hours Digital test and here is my honest review.

*** I am not receiving benefits from any source or entity.***

I am also not sure what people meant when talking about NDA. I read everything and the only thing that was mentioned was not to share the content of the test, which I haven't in this post. But ADMIN if you see anything that shouldn't be shared, please feel free to fix it

Let me give a bit of a background. I am one of those people who have been postponing the LSAT because taking the actual test is nerve wracking, and it is almost impossible for me to take practice test because I am not discipline enough to sit that long when nobody is watching. That is my biggest struggle, the timing and sitting down for that long. So taking the actual test with LSAC proctors made it so much easier for me. Now that I have done it once I know I can make myself do it again and again (time practice tests) So the experience was definitely worth 100%. I was prepared with my watch, sharper, pencil, easer, and bunch of other stuff you need for taking the paper test, but the Digital experience is so much easier. All you need is an ID and the ticket. That's it, so bye bye to the watch, pencil and all that stuff that you have to worry about. Take all that out of the equation.

Bye Bye to bubbling! YESSSS! The tablet is in landscape mode and at the bottom of each question is 25-28 small circles that get bubbled in automatically as you fill the questions. This definitely saved time since I didn't go back and forth between sheets.

Flagging and Elimination: If you are not sure of the question, you can flag it and go back to it if you have time remaining. On the right side of each answer choice there was an option to eliminate the answer, as well as the option to collapse the answer choice if you don't want to see it again. It will show the first like followed by .... but it takes it out of view.

Timer: There is an automatic timer that is on the right corner, its 35:00 count down. You can collapse it to hide it, but after the 5 minutes warning (which pops up automatically) you don't have an option to collapse. It was really helpful because I knew exactly when to move on without resetting my watch every section.

User Interface: We were given a pen with a stylus at the back, scratch paper and there was a table holder. The stylus response was quick and I didn't have any lagging or issue with using it. I honestly was shocked at how accurate it was, LSAC really put time and effort into designing this because I went in being very skeptical about the whole process.

Other functions: Okay so there was so many functions that you are given option to change and customize before you start the test. So there was an option to invert the colors to black and white, customize the font into small, default and large. You could change the brightness as well as other stuff that I didn't use because it was geared towards accessibility for disabilities. So these functions could be changed ahead of time before you start your test. But you had access to change them anytime during the test as well. There was a highlight function that gave you option of Yellow, Orange, Red and an underline. OHH! And an eraser function, that worked well.

Keyboard: We were given a keyboard for the writing section. Totally loved it. It was smaller than the standard keyboard but I typed and edited that essay like a boss. I know it doesn't count towards your score, but it was still a fun experience. Loved it. Even though I have a decent handwriting, my hands start cramping writing essays. So definitely a plus. And I can see how this section can weigh in more once digitalized because the admission comity will be able to read it since its typed and not hand written.

Setting and seating: I am not sure if it is going to be for all digital tests but the tables and chairs weren't the regular small separate desk things but a long desk attached with movable chairs, which were 100 times more comfortable than the standard desks. I had enough space for arm rests and didn't feel like everything was falling apart. It was so much more simpler, just one tablet that had everything built in. I didn't need gazillion pencil, watch, eraser or sharpener to keep track of.

FONT: hate how in reading section (paper version) the lines are close to each other that underlining and circling starts getting messy. So the font feature in the digital was definitely a plus. There was underling, highlighting and a eraser option. Also it was easier for me to grasp the words and sentence structure because it was clear and large enough to read. Keep in mind that I had my setting to small, and even that size was pretty decent for comprehension.

EQUAL TIME: Everyone's screen froze and started at the same time. Everyone got the exact 35 minutes, and you didn't have to worry about filling the scranton as you got closer to your 5 minutes. That equals to almost 3 minutes additional for each section! I CAN TAKE THAT!

Light reflection: The light from the ceiling was reflecting on the screen. I tried laying the tablet down, raised the brightness but I could still see the white lights shining on the screen. The light fixtures in universities are large and rectangular so it was taking over half my screen. Maybe if I switched my seats or if they turned it off? But I wasn't the only one having the issue, people around me were saying the same thing. It eventually faded away because I guess my eyes adjusted to it? I don't notice it at all once the timer started, I was so focused on taking the test, that it became unnoticeable.

Write or not to write: I have not taken any digital tests in the past, so, I was a bit confused on what I should be writing. For logic based LR questions I like to write stuff down but for some reason I felt moving to another platform (paper) was not coming to me as quickly. If I had prior practice than it would be more natural. The good thing was there it was a stylus pen so all you had to do was rotate the thing and start writing. I did have a difficult time with more difficult LR questions as well as Games, games are just so much easier to do on the paper it self. But again, I could train myself if I knew I was going digital.

DISENGAGEMENT: I didn't feel that connection, that test taking quickness, that feel of killing the test because I wasn't as engaged with the materials. It is psychological so I am sure one can over come it with a bit of practice. I hate the bubbling part of the paper test but love the whole writing all over the paper. So definitely a choice to make over here..

LR section:

Paper: logic notations right next to the answer choice is key for me in the LR. I feel I can do better on paper, but at the same time if I were to practice on a scratch pad, I am sure I can work it through. It's more of me never having done that in the past.

Digital: It was really nice for them to have added an elimination and collapse feature. It was so much easier/ quicker to come down to 2 right choices and just picking one and moving on. It was FAST. Especially the 10 questions under 10 minutes, Now you might be able to easily knock 13 questions under 10 minutes. If you are someone who tends to read eliminated answer choices, than the whole collapse feature will be a magical experience. lol.

Reading section:

Paper: I hate the reading section on paper cause its so small and seems like there is so much to read! Even though writing and circling is more engaging. I prefer the digital version for the reading section.

Digital: In the digital version of the reading section, there was another feature added: You had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 numbers that you could drop down through out the passage and use them as notation. So you could think of 1 as main point, 2 as opposing etc. In addition to that there was all the highlight and underline feature. So the standard option was a dual thing where the passage was on the side and question on the right side. You could scroll the passage and do the questions one by one. OR you had an option to read the passage as a whole without any questions on the page, do your highlight and number marking stuff and then move to the passage/question thing. IN ADDITION. Instead of looking for the number lines, they highlighted the words in the passage in blue, corresponding to the question. So if I had a question about a specific word in the passage, it was automatically highlighted in blue, it helped me so much. Because I am already super slow in RC and looking for number lines and all that throws me off a bit. Also cause I am being tested on the content, not on freaking find the corresponding line! So yes, I love the RC in digital so much better. ALSO, I am not not sure if it was just easier material but honestly it was so much easier to read it in the digital format, it didn't seem lengthy or intimidating. I was able to color code opposing points, with different colors. It was very easy to change colors and it honestly changed my whole RC experience. I knew exactly when the topic changed cause of the way I highlighted them using three different highlighters plus underlining. I did spend 8 minutes on the first two passages cause I was playing around with color..lol.

Game section:

Paper: Love it, you all know how it is.

Digital: HATED IT, I don't know what I was doing. I was thrown off completely BUT again, if I practiced digital I could have done better. Again, the whole being engaged with the paper thing. If you are a engaged paper kind of person. DO PAPER. I on the other hand am willing to go digital once I get some practice with it.

So it is honestly a preference thing. I am a 90's kid, so I went through middle school doing everything in paper and pencil, it was only later that I got exposed to assignments on computer. If you are from the generation that grew up doing everything on computer, I say this is for you. With a little practice on digital you can Ace this LSAT with no issue at all. Try out the digital version stuff LSAC is offering online to play around with. It it honestly not that bad at but it can throw you off if you have no idea or any experience with such testing methods.

If you are someone who likes to be engaged with paper and it really helps you come up with the answers by jotting down stuff, then go for paper. If you don't mind bubbling and the watch and pencils and erasers, stick to paper. However, I would recommend trying RC and LR digitally to see how you feel about those sections, if those are your weak areas going digital might be something you want to explore more. I think going digital gives you more time, overall.

Wether or not the LSAT goes completely Digital at some point. I am not worried about our adaptive skills as humans. Time over time have we have adapted to all situations (for GOD's sake, we trained ourself to take the LSAT in the first place). So we are very capable of training ourself to perform equally well if not better. We have amazing resources in our hands, the question is if we are willing to accept the change and take the time to tweak our testing methodologies.

There are so many benefits for the digital LSAT. The cost to take the test might reduce, which may end up being more cost effective. It might be offered more often and the results revealed sooner. This opens doors to a lot more people coming from different background --> resulting in diversity within the field of law.

So, to everyone who is freaking out and worried about it, you will be more than fine, I promise.

I have been studying for the LSAT since the beginning of January. For all of Jan/Feb I stuck with my study schedule. I would wake up before work and study for 2-3 hours, and then spend my weekends studying also. During that time I was actually really enjoying the core content and working my way through that. Then March hit, and it was like my motivation switch was turned off. I started really struggling to get out of bed early enough to study before work, and even on the weekends I could not get myself to study for more than an hour or two.

I think I may have burnt myself out with all of the Jan/Feb studying. Also, I think the logic games section I found much more difficult, hence leading to my decrease in motivation.

If anyone has any advice or tips on what you use to stay motivated, or to get out of bed early haha, that would be super appreciated. In February I also started exercising more regularly which I think has helped mentally. Looking forward to seeing everyone's tips and tricks :) Thanks in advance.

I am halfway through the CC, so basically since you can cancel your scores after seeing them, should I already register for the July test even though i have no idea how i will average on PTs?

I am hoping someone might be able to provide some information on this prep-course. I have not been able to locate much online and am not even sure if it is still offered. Does anyone know how to reach Larry? Does anyone know the length of this course if it is still offered? I would appreciate any help I can get on this.

I am taking the July Exam. The past two months I have been attending Testmasters but noticed that it really was not helping me improve my score significantly. I am signed up now for the 7Sage Ultimate. Should I be doing 2-3 prep tests a week before July or go over the fundamentals again and wait to take prep tests till next month according to the Schedule on 7Sage? If I start next month they have five tests a week which seems like way too much!

hey all

so I've noticed that in my PT phase, I can find myself getting rusty in certain areas after not working on them for a few weeks or not doing timed practice for some time.

For example, Monday - I take a timed PT. Then from Tuesday to Sunday, I spend that time reviewing it (BR, watching and reading explanations for Q's I got wrong, etc.) From Tuesday to Sunday, however, I spend very little time doing any timed work or drilling - I'm just BRing and reviewing my PT and seeing what I got wrong and why.

Then on the following Monday, when I do a new timed PT, I feel myself pretty rusty/slowish on LR and RC especially, because I haven't done any under pressure timed work in 7 days.

I now realize that before any fresh new PT I take, I would like to spend the day before at least doing a few timed repeat sections in LR, RC, and LG just to get my juices flowing and to remind myself what working under timed conditions is like. Otherwise, if I jump straight into a fresh PT and it's been like 8 days since I've last done any timed work, I can find myself kinda rusty and slow.

Has anyone else experienced this??

In a sense, it's like doing a "timed practice" warmup the day before doing a fresh real PT, just to get those brain juices flowing and breaking any rustiness that might have accumulated over a past week.

I also sometimes feel rustiness when I do a deep dive intensive into something like LG fool proofing for two weeks, where all I do is foolproof LG for two weeks. Then after those 2 weeks when I suddenly do a timed fresh LR section without any warmups, I can find myself slow, rusty, and prone to silly mistakes.

Anyone experience something similar. Anyone have any advice on avoid rustiness and maintaining top LSAT shape before one takes a fresh test?

Thanks.

The title speaks for itself! Besides the typical movies such as The Paper Chase and To Kill A Mocking Bird, my favorite movie that has a law vibe to it is My Cousin Vinny. Not the typical movie to give you that lawyer feeling but it's funny and thought provoking at the same time. Now post yours :D

Hello, I have noticed that many questions which I miss when taking practice tests are due a failure to read/mentally process words (and sometimes entire sentences) in the question/answer text. I know that sounds absurd but imagine reading a sentence only to have your mind glaze over and even sometimes change certain words in the sentence. Just to be clear, this is not a vocabulary problem, it is more of a 'reading' problem. As you can imagine this issue plagues me in all aspects of the test.

This issue becomes more prominent with more time pressure: the faster I try to read the worse my comprehension is.

I was wondering if there was anyone out there that has had this problem and what techniques they used to overcome it? Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions on the matter!

I'm torn between taking the March LSAT or postponing it..

I already sat for a LSAT last year and received 163.

My recent pt scores have ranged between 164~170 and the average is around 167..

My BR scores are around 173~177..

My goal score is 171~174.

Should I take a chance and take the March LSAT or should I postpone and take the June LSAT?

If I do take the March test and fail to get the score I'm hoping for I plan to take the June one for the third time. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hey you.

You taking the LSAT on Saturday?

Come back here. You're taking it, aren't you?

Ok. Lots of folks around here are, too.

How ya feelin'?

I know that feel.

Here's how it's gonna go.

1) LG's gonna throw a thing at you that you're like—wait, what? OH. Please. That's nothing. LOL. Really LG, nice try on that twist there. Nice try.

This is you when LG tries to throw a twist:

2) RC's gonna have some weird subject matter. But we don't change the way we read based on subject matter, do we? No. We don't. We know all RC is the same damn cookie cutter business and that we're always reading for reasoning structure.

We know RC is all like this:

So you are gonna devour RC like this:

You're gonna get about ankle-deep in a couple of time sink questions. YOU WILL NOT give in to timesink temptations. You will remember that no one RC question is worth more than a minute of our time.

But you're gonna see that you're in the mud and you're gonna get the hell outta there and skip-skip-skip away. When in doubt ...

3) LR's might feel kinda weird at first. Time warp-y. Trippy. You might feel like a couple of the first few questions are hard (and they might actually be hard questions).

At first with LR you might feel like this:

But then you're gonna summon the Huntress.

Oh shit.

She's HERE.

I think you know what this means for LR. LR's gonna get taken down hard. Like, 25-in-25 hard. Sitting around with nothing to DO for 3 minutes hard.

Once the Huntress is summoned, she is on the hunt. Here is what the Huntress does with her prey.

Are you the Huntress?

I SAID ARE YOU THE HUNTRESS.

YES YOU ARE.

NOW GO CRUSH THIS TEST.