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Hi everyone!
84 Days left until the June LSAT
I was going through some old discussion points and noticed a weekly thread for review.
Feel free to contribute via your schedule/goal for the weekend and don't hesitate to give me pointers on mine!
Keep going! You're doing great :)
I had a few questions about the rules of actually taking the test in person I was hoping someone could clear up for me.
It's my understanding that you are only allowed to work on the section they tell you to work on and you can't open to any other section whether you've completed it or it's an upcoming one. Is that correct? Meaning, if taking section 2 of the test and the clock is going, you can't look back to section 1 and you can't look forward to 3/4/5.
Second, are the test booklets closed during the break? Am I leave it open to the last page of the last section just completed or do all booklets need to be closed?
Finally, are the scantrons of the actual test the same ones 7sage has for PT's? Meaning are all 5 sections on the same sheet?
Here's what prompted these questions: I was taking a PT today and I had trouble with the last question of section 1. During sections 2 and 3 my mind would wonder back to that question and think about it some more. I then realized why one answer was correct and why the answer I chose was wrong. I thought, damn, I missed that question. But then I realized I could just erase the answer and change it to what I know is the correct answer while I'm taking section 3. I never turned the page of the test booklet back to section 1. The whole reconsidering was done in my head alone. I figured if it's all on the same scantron and I'm not technically working on a different section in the booklet can't I just erase the answer on the section 1 part of the scantron?
If someone could answer these that would be helpful thanks!
Hello,
I am planning on taking the LSAT in December 2017 for August 2018 admissions. I live in Puerto Rico and the school I am planning on attending requires a 150. Which course do you all recommend I take? I have a 3.7 GPA. When should I begin studying?
Thanks!
I currently have the Toptier timer lsat watch and it works fine, but im worried I won't have to time reset it in during the actual test. Should I get the more expensive ones (if they're even in stock) or am i fine?
Thanks
Specifically, I am looking at PT 68.S2.Q23, the second sentence: "We must therefore reject Tolstoy's rash claim that if we knew a lot about the events leading up to any action, we would cease to regard that action as freely performed").
So that would be diagrammed out as:
Not (know about events ---> ~freely performed)
Which I was told turns into:
(Know about events ---> freely performed)
My question is a theoretical one, and that is: WHY do you negate a conditional by introducing the sufficient and denying the necessary?
2 follow up questions:
Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading another twelve-hour long LR workshop (#2) over four nights (three hours per night) for four students to provide an intensive and comprehensive overview of all foundational concepts and their application to all types of LR questions.
Schedule
Session 1 - April 7, Friday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 2 - April 8, Saturday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 3 - April 9, Sunday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 4 - April 10, Monday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Cost
Free. But! There's a $150 deposit to reserve your spot. If you show up on time and participate for the entire duration of all sessions, your deposit will automatically be refunded fully at the end of the workshop. Otherwise, it is forfeit. Please make sure you can attend the entire 12 hour long workshop.
[Registration will open within 72 hours]
#Frequently Asked Questions
Q: How will you select which four students will participate?
A: First-come, first-served. The first four students to successfully place the deposit will be selected.
Q: What if I'm the fifth person to sign up?
A: Since there are only four spots, you will be automatically refunded.
Q: Who should take this workshop and what will be covered?
A: Beginners. This means you haven't finished the Core Curriculum yet and you're not starting to take PrepTests yet. Imagine the workshop as a fast paced overview of the entire Core Curriculum that pertains to LR. We'll cover theory and we'll apply that theory to actual LSAT questions. It will be highly interactive and hence the limit of four students. Wherever you are in the Core Curriculum, this a great way to solidify the concepts covered.
Q: Can I sign up even if I'm not a beginner?
A: Yes, you can. I'm certain that it'll benefit you to return to concepts covered in the Core Curriculum. I'm also certain that you will find it very slow at times since I will be speaking to students on the assumption that they are beginners.
Q: Do I need to have a paid 7Sage account to sign up?
A: Yes, you do. If you have an expired account, message Dillon and see if he's willing to reactivate it for you.
Q: What materials are used in this workshop?
A: The workbook that you will be provided with will contain LR questions from PrepTests 54, 55, and 56. Yes, we will be "burning" those PrepTests in order to get a closer look at the modern LSAT.
Q: What do I need to do to prepare for the workshop if I get in?
A: You should print the above mentioned workbook. You should be in a quiet space where you can talk freely. You should have a fast internet connection. You should have headphones or earphones ready.
Q: How do I attend the workshop?
A: The workshop will be hosted on Go To Meeting, like all of 7Sage's webinars. Instructions and meeting location will be sent to you once you've successfully registered.
Q: Will there be more workshops in LR / LG / RC in the future?
A: Yes. This session accommodates east coasters who work during the day. Future sessions will accommodate others.
I started back up in January after graduating and moving and was hoping to be ready for the June exam. But with my new commitment to do this right the 2nd time round, it has taken me a lot longer to get through the CC. Plus, I have been really influenced by everyone on here to try and master the concepts better and I feel betting on myself in September will get me to my target score (168-170 range).
I hope this post helps those who are debating on pushing things back a bit. It sucks but I feel like I have a better shot at doing taking this test once and being done. There is nothing wrong with admitting you're not where you need to be if that helps you arrive at your final destination in the long run.
7Sagers - I'm aiming to take the LSAT again in June - my 4th go around as I really want to go to Law School (duh) in fall of 2018... Anyways, I fancy myself as one of the worst LSAT takers ever to come about - 144-146-151 (most recent)... I'm currently drilling at 161 average after taking 5 tests (and finishing most of the curriculum for a 2nd time) - 36-37-38-39-40... I've taken those tests before, but it has been a few years, so I think that my question recognition is distant and not an advantage....
The whole point - keep the faith - keep working hard and better results will follow.
One thing I've noticed - my confidence is on a whole different level than a few years ago... And I'm crushing Logic games - I average 2 misses per game roughly... That is key! Reading Comp is rough and Logic Reasoning is still frustrating. I'm not a robot and human... Really dig down the application effect for logic reasoning - don't gloss over the explanations!
My goal is anything over 158 come June and William and Mary Law!
One last piece of advice: find the right balance between practice tests and curriculum review!
I heard a sage say, somewhere, that once you are good at fool proofing individual games, you should move on to fool proofing entire sections. What are people's thoughts on this?
I have been fool proofing individual games for many months now and feel ready to "upgrade" my studying to full sections. What are the best strategies to implement this?
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I am still struggling with timing in some sections. At the 5 minute mark when I take practice PT's, I am still bubbling in the last question as the proctor (app) says "Pencils down" (like, filling in the oval). If were to do that during a real exam, would it be an issue? Or does pencils down mean drop your pencil immediately, without filling in the rest of the oval you were bubbling?
Sounds like a small question but I just had to ask.
I've seen Cant Get Right's 3 Phase study plan partially quoted in other posts, but I cannot find it in its entirety.
Can someone link me to it, if possible?
Also, I noticed that he held several webinars in Jan and Feb about it. Is there any update on when/if those might be uploaded as recordings? I am just moving on from the CC and definitely realizing that learning how to learn is necessary for success.
Thanks!
Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading a twelve-hour long LR workshop over four nights (three hours per night) for four students to provide an intensive and comprehensive overview of all foundational concepts and their application to all types of LR questions.
Schedule
Session 1 - March 31, Friday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 2 - April 1, Saturday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 3 - April 2, Sunday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Session 4 - April 3, Monday, 7pm - 10pm EST
Cost
Free. But! There's a $150 deposit to reserve your spot. If you show up on time and participate for the entire duration of all sessions, your deposit will automatically be refunded fully at the end of the workshop. Otherwise, it is forfeit. Please make sure you can attend the entire 12 hour long workshop.
#Frequently Asked Questions
Q: How will you select which four students will participate?
A: First-come, first-served. The first four students to successfully place the deposit will be selected.
Q: What if I'm the fifth person to sign up?
A: Since there are only four spots, you will be automatically refunded.
Q: Who should take this workshop and what will be covered?
A: Beginners. This means you haven't finished the Core Curriculum yet and you're not starting to take PrepTests yet. Imagine the workshop as a fast paced overview of the entire Core Curriculum that pertains to LR. We'll cover theory and we'll apply that theory to actual LSAT questions. It will be highly interactive and hence the limit of four students. Wherever you are in the Core Curriculum, this a great way to solidify the concepts covered.
Q: Can I sign up even if I'm not a beginner?
A: Yes, you can. I'm certain that it'll benefit you to return to concepts covered in the Core Curriculum. I'm also certain that you will find it very slow at times since I will be speaking to students on the assumption that they are beginners.
Q: Do I need to have a paid 7Sage account to sign up?
A: Yes, you do. If you have an expired account, message Dillon and see if he's willing to reactivate it for you.
Q: What materials are used in this workshop?
A: The workbook that you will be provided with will contain LR questions from PrepTests 54, 55, and 56. Yes, we will be "burning" those PrepTests in order to get a closer look at the modern LSAT.
Q: What do I need to do to prepare for the workshop if I get in?
A: You should print the above mentioned workbook. You should be in a quiet space where you can talk freely. You should have a fast internet connection. You should have headphones or earphones ready.
Q: How do I attend the workshop?
A: The workshop will be hosted on Go To Meeting, like all of 7Sage's webinars. Instructions and meeting location will be sent to you once you've successfully registered.
Q: Will there be more workshops in LR / LG / RC in the future?
A: Yes. This session accommodates east coasters who work during the day. Future sessions will accommodate others.
Does the personal statement necessarily need to be focused on a recent moment in our lives? Could we talk about an event that happened before college, as long as it references a hobby that you intermittently do to this day?
So...
I am currently on spring break, and plan on being 100% done with the curriculum by the weekend. My first week back I have a couple exams so just going to go over a few logic games sections and some reading comp sections to stay fresh. Then I am thinking every Friday (no classes on Friday) I take a practice exam, and during the day Saturday (potentially into the early portions of the following week) Blind Review and then go back over stuff in the curriculum (or other resources) that I feel like I struggled in. Then rinse and repeat until June 12th (possibly upping my practice test number per week as I get closer and when classes end).
Does this seem like a solid plan of action? I have taken two practice exams (scored 154, 160) so far, and went through a whole LSAT book (The LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim). I plan on taking it again in September depending how my score is in June. Any input would be appreciated!
Hello-
I am planning to start studying for LSAT, trying to figure out a way to start, having a toddler is not easy in managing time.
I have a 3.2 GPA and want to get in good school. I want to take September test, haven't start studying yet. How can 7sage help, which program would be the best to work with?
Overall: 9/10
Proctors: Amazing! Literally not one thing I could complain about. The proctors were very nice and relaxed before the test and completely quiet during. They all knew what they were talking about and did everything very efficiently. Proper time warnings were given for every section and we even ended up getting 30 seconds or so between sections, didn't feel rushed at all.
Facilities: Really nice campus! Clean bathrooms right near the testing rooms and a decent amount of space to walk around/chill during the break. The one complaint I have about the testing center overall was that it was a bit difficult to find the building (University Hall). Montclair State University is kind of split into a lower and upper campus, with the main entrance/GPS address bringing you to the lower half, but the testing building in the upper. You can access the upper campus from the top level of the parking garage, but there weren't any signs (that I could see), so if I hadn't found this info on the University website I probably would've been lost for awhile.
What kind of room: Large, 100-seat lecture halls, all right next to each other. If you google "Montclair State University Hall Room 1070" you can see a 360 degree panoramic view of what the rooms look like, which I LOVED because it made me feel so much more comfortable going into it (without going all the way there to see it myself). The chairs were comfortable and adjustable, the lighting was good, and the temperature wasn't too hot or too cold, but there was no clock in the room.
How many in the room: I want to say 30-ish people were in my testing room, but other test-takers who had been there before said that the Feb exam had a very low turnout compared to other administrations. However, we were assigned to every other chair, and the rows didn't feel cramped at all, so I don't think it would've mattered much if there were more people there.
Desks: THE BEST! Long tables with plenty of room to spread out and no risk of spilling into your neighbor's space because they left a chair open between each test-taker. I get super distracted by any movement in my peripheral vision, but i had no such issues here. There were random little microphones mounted on the desk in some places, but the few people seated near them were able to scoot their chairs over so they weren't in the way.
Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable. Yay for long table-desks!
Noise levels: Perfectly quiet throughout the entire exam. I was actually surprised to see that one of the testing rooms next-door got out slightly before us for the break because we couldn't hear ANYTHING inside.
Parking: The big parking garage on campus is called the Red Hawk Parking deck, and I believe it cost $8.00 for the day. LSAT testers could go to some office and get a special parking discount, but I'm not sure how much because I just wanted to escape ASAP haha.
Time elapsed from arrival to test: They began check-in at 8:25ish and we started the test a little before 9:00. One of the proctors I was chatting with said that a 9:00am start is typical.
Irregularities or mishaps: None! The only difficulty I had was finding the building, but it was no problem once I looked up a campus map on their website (which I honestly should've done beforehand anyways).
Other comments: My testing experience went as smoothly as I think it could possibly go. I highly recommend taking it here!
Would you take the test here again? Definitely!
Date[s] of Exam[s]: February 4th, 2016
The day I have been waiting for!!!! No longer will I have to wrestle my book on the scanner to get a solid copy/scan!!! Winning!!! Thanks 7Sage!!!!
So, J.Y.'s pretty awesome:
Hey guys,
Any tips on post core-curriculum ideas?
My first four PT's have been stagnant at 158-161. I didn't take a cold diagnostic and my first PT was 161.
Specifically,
A: What is a good PT schedule?
B: How do you recommend drilling LR?
C: How do you recommend going back to the core curriculum to review?
D : Is it normal to have your first four PT's show almost no improvement in raw score?
I'm writing in June and am planning on doing PT 35-80.
Thanks in advance!
PS: I think @"Cant Get Right" did a webinar on this; any take-aways from that webinar since I wasn't able to attend?
Here is promotional material for Larry Law Law's webinar on his course KTCOOLS (Kick the Crap Out of Law School)
March Prep for Law School - Before It Starts
(And HOW To Prep)
So, as I promised, I have advice for you 0Ls -- those of you who got into law school (or are still figuring out what law school to go to).
I know you may be juggling other things -- picking a school, weighing scholarships, etc.
But it is NOT too early to be thinking about preparing for law school itself.
In 6 years of tutoring law students, I learned one big thing: my best students (straight A students at T14 law schools) got started before law school.
That is worth repeating and putting in bold and in just 5 words: To get As, start early.
(As you already know, top grades mean everything in law school and to your future -- even if you get into your dream law school.)
If you have doubts about starting early, watch this video:
Law School Study Tip: Prepare Before Law School In the Summer (Or: Help, I'm Scared!)
If this helped -- if you thought that this was wicked smaaht -- do me a favor:
Don't just watch the video -- ACTUALLY APPLY this advice to your life.
Forward this emails to friends! (And if you
In the mean time, let me know if you have any questions. On anything in law school. I read every email.
Best,
Larry Law Law
P.S. As I promised, if you want to learn about all the secrets to law school success, I will be hosting a FREE webinar on Tuesday, March 14 at 9pm Eastern. I'll answer any and all questions you have about how to ace law school. Here are the deets:
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Exactly 3 months till gameday people... Good luck to everyone. Time to turn on the jets, hopefully everyone maintains their momentum, and remember...
There's always September haha
Hi all!
Question regarding a LOR from a professor I am currently taking. To ask or not?
Background info: Major is Psychology with emphasis in Law and Criminal Behavioral Applications and minor in Legal Studies. GPA is 3.9
I am planning to apply in Fall 2017 and have already secured one LOR with my criminal law prof and am banking on that being a great one considering she offered to write it before I even asked. I plan to ask my advisor as well, who I have also had for two upper division classes, both received As in. I have another prof that I have right now that I am considering asking after the semester is over. I believe I will finish very well in her class. All of her comments on my assignments have been awesome. However, she's my Child and Adolescent Development professor. Should I not ask her because this class is so heavily psychology related and can't really directly be applied to law? The other two professors taught classes that were related (Criminal Law, Criminal Psychology). What do you guys think?
The presentation is actually about physical practice, but I see a lot of overlap with Sage suggestions and also just common sense. Don't expect to learn anything here that will remarkably alter your habits (unless you have awful habits lol), but let it serve as a reminder that quality practice is more important than quantity.
I have studied for LSAT since December last year, and finished PT 30-60, ranging from 164-173, with an average score of 169. Got a 166 in the real one, frankly a bit disappointed.
My current situation is LG -2, LR -3~-4 for each session, and RC -3~-8. I dunno what's wrong with my capricious RC performance lol.
I really want to raise my score, ideally above 173 in the September test (because I am studying at a university in Hong Kong famous for low GPA. my current GPA is 3.5, which is already 5-10% in my year). Is this even possible? I can spare 28 hours per week from March to May, and 50 hours per week from June to August. I don't wanna burn out so I've plan an 10 day trip in the summer.
I am thinking of buying the LSAT Trainer, or registering for the 7Sage courses, or both. Do you think they are helpful?
Any suggestion will be much appreciated!
