How did people find this section? It seemed pretty smooth but not enough to compensate from the hardest RC ever

Hey y'all

I'm going to retake in September, and for the last two weeks I've been chipping away at Logic games from PT 1-15. However, I've seen marginal, if any, improvements. When I foolproof them, I can get perfect on the entire section with 10 minutes left, but the moment I see a fresh set I go -6 to -9. I planned on spending a total of a month straight on LG, but my patience and determination is waivering.

Now that I've given you background, please read my questions: 1. Any particular LG sets you think will help me for the most recent tests? 2. Should I go back and do the LG portion of the CC? (haven't done it since last summer) 3. How to maximize what I learn from the Fool Proof Method (i.e. what questions do you ask yourself/what do you observe about the LG set)

Thank you

Hi everyone,

I plan on fool proofing LG using the typical method of using the PT 1-35 bundle. I was just wondering what are people's thoughts on fool proofing LG by type versus just going through the bundle from PT 1 to 35 in order. I read the Pacifico guide and he states that one shouldn't record the type of game one attempts, which makes sense to me, since we don't have that luxury during real test conditions. However, I have since read some other guides by people who have done really well on LG, and they recommend drilling by LG type (I guess to really drill the strategies for each type) So I am now having second thoughts!

So, I guess I'd just like some input from the high LG scorers out there, what are the pros and cons of fool proofing by type/not, and what method do you think is more useful for a beginner?

Thanks!

If I had three LR sections, one first, third, and last which one was the experimental section?

I'm finally breaking into the score range I want and I know that RC is my biggest challenge and the one sections I'm still a bit inconsistent in. When I'm blind reviewing I've been able to get the right answers (mostly), but I'm not at all able to feel confident in my answer choices. I think it's because I can usually eliminate the wrong answers and not find support for the right answers.

does anyone have any tips or advice?? In specific for finding support for inference question, but just for BRing RC in general!!

best of luck everyone, and any help will be appreciated

So as I am going about my studying I am finding that flaw questions are particularly hard for me. I have noticed a pattern though. I get roughly 60% of flaw questions correct. The way the questions answers are worded is what trips me up. I have noticed there are two "kinds" of flaw answer choices. There are those that relate the answers directly back to the stimulus;

Example - 62-4-11

The reporter concludes from the evidence showing only M can cure athlete's foot that M always can cure athletes foot.

or there are those that make the flaw abstract;

Examples - 64-3-14

It repudiates a claim merely on the grounds that an inadequate argument had been given for it

It fails to consider that, even if an argument's conclusion is false, some of the assumptions used to justify that conclusion nonetheless be true.

It is these that I answer with almost 0 confidence and inevitably get wrong. Thinking about it deeper, I can almost never describe a flaw in abstract form. I have decent success on LR (-6 to -8) per section because I can read the stimulus and in that specific instance patch the holes/connect the bridges/strengthen/weaken. I can never tell exactly WHAT the author has made a mistake on.

Obviously this is a problem. If not just for flaw questions alone. This contributes to about -4ish questions per test because flaws questions appear roughly 8 times.

What can I do to train myself on these kind of questions?

Any thoughts? How did you guys feel about it?

I got 3 sections, 2 with 25 questions and 1 with 26 questions.

I think I did OK... but totally bombed the RC...

I just took the June test today and it seems that the general consensus online is that the RC was incredibly difficult.

For context, RC is usually my worst section, with me going about -6 each time, and LR is my best, where I usually finish with 5+ min remaining per section. I've been studying for years and only sometimes break the 170 wall on PTs.

My issue is that on this test I found the RC surprisingly doable; I clicked with each passage and felt that I fully understood the theme, structure, author's intent, etc. for each passage.

However, I feel that I got bent over and shafted on all 3 LR sections (I had exp. LR) and ran out of time and had to guess at least one question as a result on each section.

To my surprise, everyone on the reddit thread seems to be upset over the RC, with some saying it was the most difficult one they've ever encountered, and are pretty "meh" about the LR. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here feeling pretty confident about the RC but every now and then I have to wipe away the tears gently dripping onto my desk from remembering the LR.

Anyone else in the same boat? I'm starting to feel that maybe I didn't do as well on RC as I thought I did :((/p)

Hey All,

Games are by far my weakest section. The foolproofing method is working wonders, thank goodness.

I am slowly working my way through the CC, but I'm finding that the game sections are placed really, really late . I skipped ahead to the sequencing games and spatial games so I could start FP'ing those and it worked well for me. Does anyone see any downsides to skipping ahead to the other game types as well? I know the general advice is to move through the curriculum as given, but I'd like to be FP'ing as I go through the CC (it's worked out really well for me to do 3 or 4 new games a day as a sort of warm-up to the CC content) and I'm out of spatial and sequencing games. Also, if I wait so long to start the later game types, I don't think I'll get through it all and give myself enough time to really improve on my weakest area.

I feel a sense of urgency and a need to move these up also because I must, MUST sit for the September exam. I'm gonna anticipate your responses here telling me to wait until I feel my score is +5 of my goal, and that's all well and good, but there is such a thing as "real life" and right now my parents are graciously allowing me space to live and study rent-free, but only if I take it in September. I may be able to pull off taking it again in December if I really need to, but I can't count on that.

So I have accommodations (time and a half - 53 minutes per section) and just finished the test a little while ago. Something weird as hell happened... The proctor was timing us (me and one other person) incorrectly!

I had the bezel on my watch set to the minute hand when we started and at minute 43, the protcor said 5 minutes remaining and I was like ??? but thought maybe I messed up my watch or something so I just accepted I had 5 minutes left and finished the first section accordingly. At the end of section 1, I thought about saying something but stupid me fell victim to authority worship and assumed that I was in the wrong and didn't say anything in the very short time we had before moving to section 2.

Now it's minute 43 in section 2 and once again, proctor calls 5 minute warning. At this point, I know I'm not wrong and she definitely messed up somehow so I push past my initial outrage/disbelief and keep moving with 5 minutes left. As soon as she calls time for section 2, I immediately tell her that I'm almost entirely certain we didn't get the appropriate time for the last 2 sections. After brief discussion, she says that she knows what time we started and if by the end of section 3, the time isn't adding up, she'll give us that time back at the end.

Lo and behold, we finish section 3 (this time after the full 53 minutes) and at the break, she realizes I was right and that we were gypped of 5 minutes from both section 1 and 2. She talked to the supervisor and did allow us to go back to each section for 5 minutes once we had finished the test but before the essay.

Obviously, that whole fuck up threw off my mental game and presumably negatively affected my score. Not to mention that section 2 was RC so those 5 minutes weren't nearly as useful at the end because I had to waste time skimming a passage again because I naturally forgot some of the details after a few hours.

I figure I should email LSAC about this whole situation but I was wondering if any of you have had something similar happen and if so, what did you do about it? I'm not sure what LSAC could do aside from maybe a refund of the registration fee. Tbh I'm not even sure what I want them to do about it.

Any advice or input on my situation would be very much appreciated!

Hi,

I think the effective time management skill is the key for high scores in LSAT. Could you guys please share how you strategically pace through the RC section? (How much time you spend on reading each passage, solving a question, skipping, determining which passage you should attempt first, etc)

Thank you so much!!!!

Im having some trouble with this question so I chose A because I thought that this is what was needed to make the conclusion valid and I didn't choose B because it says " must encompass MORE than " and I took the conclusion to mean that physical theories couldn't explain consciousness in any manner, can someone help me please? TYA!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-37-section-2-question-05/

Please note that the information below will change to reflect the information we get! Contribute if you can via the official June 2017 LSAT discussion (linked at the bottom of this thread) without going into too much detail. If you think something is wrong or should be added, please post in the thread and let me know.

Real Sections:

LG:

Urban Rural Magazine

Travellers & Cities (Tokyo, Sydney, Manila)

Obstacle Course

Composer Scheduling Performances

RC:

Wynton Marsalis / Jazz

Dowsing

Children / Psychologists / Inferences

Appellate / Evidence / Trial Courts

LR:

Car Safety Tests

Chimpanzee and Orangutans / Screwdrivers

Nobel Prize

Chlorophyll/Bacteria

Marsupials Breathing Through Skin

People on Treadmills

Neutrons and Quarks

Movie Reviewers

Factory Smoke / Nuclear Accident / Heavy Isotope / Earth's Core

Vampire Books

Mosquitoes Sensing Gasses from Humans

Salespeople not using a Database

Keeping State Secrets

Free Speech / Shouting "FIRE!" in a Crowded Theatre

Draining a Marsh / Environmental Effects

Man Creates Fire

Moose Antlers

Experimental Sections:

LG:

Kittens/Puppies

Types of Beer / Brewery

Museum

Flower

Grooming

5 Tasks/Wardrobe, Props

RC:

Ancient North America Structures Based off of Astronomy/Supernova

Shelley / 14th Amendment

Earthquakes

LR:

Train Clocks

Perception of Average Wait Time

Blowdrying Hands

Mammoth Engraving on Bone

UNCONFIRMED:

If you can confirm that these are real / experimental, please do so by PMing me or posting in the main thread.

LR:

This thread is closed for discussion. Official post June LSAT discussion is stickied at the top of the forums.

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I got no dietary restrictions, so with that said... any ideas on what food to pack 4 tomorrow's test?

I'm thinking of bringing an extra few (or more than few?) gallon bags to the test center to give to people who didn't realize they have to put everything in one. Maybe it will give me a few extra karma points?! Thoughts? Who's with me? #letsgo

Hi! I will be writing the LSAT in September, and I have 3 months in hand. I had started studying for the basics in late April, using PTs 52-61 and the LSAT Trainer and 7sage videos for logic games. I have been getting almost all of my LR and LG questions right by this point, but I take too much time to reach the answer in every question, especially in LR. What can I do now to work on my speed and keep up the accuracy?

Thanks in advance!

Hi everyone!

I'm currently a rising senior in college, and I intend to take the LSAT in September and begin law school in the fall of 2018.

I started my LSAT prep in late May, working almost exclusively with Logic Games for that duration. My timed scores have been consistently high for the past two weeks, but I almost inevitably miss a single question on each game. The missed question is almost always one of the easiest in the game, and my incorrect answer is always outside of the commonly selected wrong answers (according to the 7sage metrics.)

The situation is derived from a consistent pattern of mindless/silly mistakes, and I've struggled with this kind of thing since elementary school. Even using blind review, even after reading every word in a passage twice and out loud, I end up writing down a rule wrong, or bubbling in a letter different than the correct answer I just identified.

I know that the canned answer to this is to drill, and trust that over time I'll sharpen up and the necessary skills will develop. That said, I wanted to reach out and field any advice from others who may share a similar personal weakness. Even if focus/detail is your forte, I'd love to hear your stratagem and facilitate a discourse on how to remain keen, especially when practicing with time restriction.

Thanks!

Yeah. So fool-proofing LG can contribute to other, transferrable aspects of the test. I've basically committed the past 6 weeks to the bundle while "neglecting" LR and RC. But now, as I mix in some those sections, I find that the habits I've instilled from LG remain regardless of the section.

Keep on pushing ya'll. If you're aiming for Dec like me, it's not too late to master games. Good luck!

Hello guys,

ive been consistently scoring 20+ on RC yet in the last few days I've been getting scores as low as 14

i suspect its a sorting issue as i haven't been able to properly triage the passages in terms of difficulty.

should i be worried ? do i go back to doing them in the sequence that they're originally presented ?

id hate to change strategy so late in the game.

thanks

hi friends, does anyone know if

any info appreciated, good luck to everyone, may we all get into our dream schools xx

Okay so this one I really don't understand. The question talks about changing days of the year so that the days no longer shift.

It states: Many scheduling problems could be avoided if the last day of each year, and an additional day every 4th year belonged to no week.

The stem says: The proposal above, once put into effect, would be most likely to result in continued scheduling conflicts for which one of the following groups?

The correct answer is B.) Employed people whose strict religious observations require that they refrain from working every 7th day.

What....how would they have a continued scheduled problem? Every 7th day they don't work. What's the issue here? Do I assume that work would say "Hey, you don't get to take that 7th day off because of your religion?" I feel like it requires me to assume things that it shouldn't. Or maybe I am missing the idea completely....

Is this a terrible idea ....?

Hello everyone!

I am in the middle of reviewing PT 68 section 1 question 24.

I had a question about the answer choices.

Is answer choice E translating into "If there is a reasonable solution to the problem of overdue water bills in the city -> enact a law that classifies water bills as taxes" or is it the other way around, enacting a law that classifies water bills as taxes as the sufficient condition. I know that "the only" signifies a sufficient condition but sometimes I get confused from time to time and mistake it for necessary condition depending on where the term "the only" appears in the sentence.

Thanks a bunch for your inputs!

Jay bird

Can someone tell me the difference between Weaken Questions and Stregthen Questions, and how to find the answer.