Would anyone be interested in a BR group for question types instead of PT? I thought this might be useful for those of us not quite ready to BR full PT or those of us that are still making our way through the curriculum. I also thought it would be a good way to keep me accountable and on track. If anyone is interested please let me know. Thx!

I was wondering if anyone had ever heard of NYC-based LSAT prep services (i.e., Blueprint, Powerscore, etc) offering to let you pay to participate in just the proctored LSAT exams? I think my biggest problem is test anxiety and I would love to sit for a few proctored exams before my retake in October. But I don't want to pay $1,300 for the privilege...

Wondering how relevant old logic games are for current LSATs. Is it best to do the logic game bundle (1-35) first so I don't "burn" through more recent logic game sections?

I keep missing two types of questions, "Which would the author most likely agree with" and "what is the author's attitude towards X". Other than that, I do very well on the RC section, how do you guys attack these particular questions?

Since the beginning of this month I've been spending around 5 hours per day studying for the LSAT. Mainly I'm doing LR questions all day everyday. I do these untimed. I've seen a big improvement from when I first started doing them to now. I'm getting between 20 and 22 per section right consistently. However, today I took a practice test (timed and proctored) and only got 12 and 13 respectively right. I don't understand how I can be making so much improvement untimed and when I do this timed I revet back to only getting a 12 answers correct.

Do you think that allowing myself to do this completely untimed is actually hindering my improvement on a timed test? What do you think I should about this? The test is 3 weeks away and I'm consistently scouring well below what I want to be scoring. If it helps, when I take the test untimed I score between 164 and 166 every time. When I take the test timed (I've done this 3 times now) I only get a 149.

If any of you have any ideas I'd love to hear them. I devote my entire day everyday to this and I've gone through 7sage already and completed almost all of the lessons. Given that I can do reasonably well untimed, I think I have the foundation and basics of how to do the questions but for some reason I can't do any of this timed.

Hey y'all.

Took PT62 this morning. Here's one thing I did differently in RC—and I think it helped quite a bit.

1) Read passage; make mental note of MP's, box key terms/people; mark pivots with an ">" in the margin. Follow each line with the tip of my pencil.

2) Notate MP1/MP2/Op (or AV) after the first read through.

I found myself MUCH less distracted by notations and able to retain considerably more of the passage doing this.

I have watched this lesson at least five times. I tried to do the questions but I can't weaken the argument. I don't know how to apply the Causation Theory and Strategy to each question. When I try to solve the questions all I think is the answer with the alternative cause is the correct one. Help.

Has anyone successfully used highlighters during an actual test. I have begun using highlighters and they certainly increase my understanding of the passage but also takes more time to get through the passage. I am using 3 colors right now , maybe I should switch to 2.

Hi 7Sagers!

I have noticed a number of times on PT's that every now and then, I run into a time sink on a game. When I check the 7Sage explanation, I discover that it was actually a rather simple game, that I've conquered much more challenging ones with way less feeling of oh-god-what-the-hell-is-this. So that's good news, but after reviewing the Logic Games Boards Cheat Sheet while watching explanation vids (a helpful tool to connect general theory to particular cases in games, as patterns start to emerge), I realized what was tripping me up every now and then on what should have been easy points for me: there was a RED HERRING in the game that was deliberately put there, ostensibly, to make me think there's an additional layer in my game board that I was missing. The test writers seem to like spending a fair amount of unnecessary words on a simple, not-that-restrictive distinction between players or something, but then they don't give you enough information to actually incorporate that distinction into your gameboard (at least for me to do so, and if I could, it would take more time than I have to comfortably finish the test).

Check out this example:

PT#55 Oct 2008 Game 3 - Sequencing Pure

The game starts off by announcing the first distinction: night vs. day shift. So now I'm already anticipating an IN/OUT set up. Next, it gives us the six players and a ranking task, suggesting sequencing. Okay. Got it. But I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the IN/OUT issue. The very next sentence feeds into that, by again highlighting the night/day distinction. I get what feels like valuable information for a game of IN/OUT with a sequencing task. SO, G T or S H are going to be the night, and the other 4 will be the day. So I'm thinking... okay, so it's IN/OUT, slots determined and sequencing task in subcategories. I've already bought into the time sink the test writers set up for me.

In an 8 line blurb before the list of sequencing rules, FIVE of those 8 lines were spent describing things in terms of this night/day distinction. Heck, the very purpose of the whole scenario the game describes is to COMPARE TWO GROUPS. No matter.

On a good morning, when I'm feeling like an LSAT baller, I would have wondered at first if I'm about to get an IN/OUT set up, and then gotten to the rules and seen that what I can draw is a sequencing board, with the typical sequencing rules, jot down a note of the two pairs that I'm told are night shift (in case I'm told what to do with that in a question), and call it a day. I'd have been on a mission, to get where I'm going, which is to the questions, where I can pick up points with the information I do have, and a mental footnote to remember the cliffhanger that may or may not require me to reconsider my set up (I hate when that happens, but accepting the possibility and moving on to find out would have been a lot quicker than getting stuck in a time sick of anxiety because I can't tolerate the uncertainty of that nasty little what-do-I-do-with-this-night/day-issue cliffhanger, staring at the page as I waffle over my setup, looking for something that, lo-and-behold, is not there).

On a bad morning, when I wake up feeling groggy and resenting the fact of this overinflated poriton of my law school app process, I am more like a new driver waiting to make a turn onto a busy road, sitting at a full stop with my blinker on, watching the cars go by, along with 2, maybe 3 solid opportunities to make the turn comfortably.

When I check my answers after a more or less demoralizing testing experience (which only reinfored the antipathy I had for this being something I need to do, because at some point I realize I'm distracted by my own hesitation as I move through the test, losing me points that could be the difference between a high 160's and low 170's - ugh), I am just kicking myself because the thing that stalwarted me the most was a freaking 5 minute standard sequencing game - one of the skills I can do almost reflexively. I'm normally happy to see those!

Moral of the story: another benefit of practice, beyond the level of certainty that comes with familiarity, is getting comfortable with red herrings. Zero in on them, and compare them to the kind of game that ACTUALLY has the issue you took the bait for in another game. Don't just say after watching the video, oh god, I can't believe I missed that, what an easy game, and then move on. Revisit your own thought process, because when something THAT easy sunk you THAT much time, you probably were tripping on the LSAT, who loves to be a tease. Find out what lured you in, and compare it to a similar game where the issue you anticipated actually activates.

I'm on the look out for a game that I can compare to the one I discussed in this post, and I'm sure it won't be hard to find a few given the issue tags marked on the list of games explanation videos. I'll post back when I find some. If anybody sees a game that could compare well (i.e. one where in/out and sequencing issues are both actually activating in the set up stage), I would love to hear from anyone so I can check it out.

Best!

Clarissa H.

What are some important things to do during the last month of the LSAT...?

Basic question: How many PT's should I be doing every week when I'm about 4 weeks out from the test?

Background: I am taking the in class Nathan Fox LSAT class, which goes from May 12th to June 3rd. The class advocates blind reviewing as well as the fundamentals of 7Sage, so I know there most likely won't be a problem there. His class, however, has us taking 1 PT a week. Should I add more into the mix or just review?

I am wildly inconsistent in reading comp. Some days I am -2 and others -10. I am thinking about reading the questions before I start reading the passage, similar to my approach with LR questions. Does anyone have personal feedback on this approach?

Hi everyone,

I just wanted some input from the group. I have been studying for months now and I am still not improving nor reaching my PT goal. Should I take my June test for the experience even though I'm sure I'll end up with a low score or just delay it to October? I've been delaying my LSAT several times so I feel like rather than pushing it behind yet again, taking it at least once now would be better. But by reading other forums lots of people say if one is not Pt-tng around their goal, then delay it. I'm aiming for a Canadian law school so many law schools just look at the highest LSAT score. Not sure it they will take into consideration of my other LSAT scores, for example I get a 141 on the June LSAT but for the October one I get a 167. Would love some feedback, thank you!

I seem to be getting these wrong the most are these misc logic indicator questions or just random questions? Any tips for these?

So I'm about to register for the June LSAT (still not full in my area) and I would like some advice. I wrote the test last June and am planning on writing this June, making this my second attempt. My goal isn't just to get a "good enough score" and move on. As a result, I plan on writing in June and expecting a low 160, then writing again in October to get a 170+. As you may have already anticipated, here is the issue: October will be my last attempt and I won't be able to write again until June 2016.

So, should I not write in June (and not risk doing poorly) and write in October, giving me the option of December? Or should I write in June, risk doing poorly, then write in October?

And for context, I am only applying to Canadian schools with November application deadlines, so I understand that a December write will mean a month of possibly not being accepted, although I highly doubt that will matter as I will indicate on the application that I will write on that date and thus have it held for that relatively short time period.

I'm quite confused about Q.16.

I thought B and C could be right answers too, but I am still not sure why they're wrong. And I don't get why E is a better answer.

(B) The first and second paragraphs talked about outcomes analysis (Zirkel and Schoenfeld were enthusiastic about and criticized traditional legal research by using it.) Besides, L 13~15 also talked about the two scholars. So that's why I thought C could be an answer too.

(C) Because of L 2~6, I thought C could be an answer too.

What's the differences among E (which is the right answer), B and C?

And why is E is a better answer than them?

Please someone enlighten me.

Thanks in advance!

Does anyone know the last time a logic game like PT #11, game 4 or PT#12 game four appeared on the LSAT?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-1-game-4/

When first attempting this game, my instinct was to make a game board that included year one and year two. When I watched the video, I noticed JY made two templates without paying attention to whether either of them was year one or year two, and I thought his strategy was very good. I'm wondering how he knew to ignore the year one/year two aspect of the game when he made the templates.

I jokingly started saying I was going to be a lawyer about a year ago. Towards the end of February I found out that our local law school was accepting applications for next fall until July 7th and would accept the June LSAT. So I made the decision I was going to try getting in this fall. I have no aspirations to go to Harvard or Yale or anything like that so I figured it shouldn't be too hard to get a decent score and get into the local school. So the first week of March I took a PT and scored a 153. This was inflated because the logic games should have been a 0 as I was completely lost. At the time I was scheduled to fly to Japan for a vacation and I brought along the LSAT Trainer which I heard good things about. I read a few chapters and I started to feel a bit more comfortable with the way the LSAT works. I still was pretty lost with the games so I started searching and of course thats how I found 7Sage. At first I was going to just use the free games reviews but I like to support helpful things so I decided to purchase the starter package since I only had a few months anyway I wouldn't get through the ultimate package. Fast forward to now about 7 weeks into my LSAT training and I've consistently been hitting the 160s with my highest being a 165 last night. Logic games have become my strength and reading comp my weakness the exact opposite of my diag. I really want to hit a 165 during the June test but a 160 would probably get me in.

As I browse these forums for inspiration I don't find many people posting their scores or their full stories so I wanted to hopefully give some people inspiration if you're just starting out or to find advice from those farther along.

My current study regime is a 3 day cycle, day one is a PT plus BR/review, day two and three I do one set of logic games, reading comprehension, and drill a LR type. I'm not saying this is the best way to go about it but it's been working for me. I work full time so I squeeze some practice during work and finish up after. I feel confident in most games so i just do them to maintain. The LR I could improve but like the reading comp it's all about mental toughness for me, I can't stop daydreaming in the middle of a passage. I recently started marking up passages as I read them sort of like how JY does it except mine are mostly nonsense scribbles but it has helped because I'm more focused in the passage although my markings hardly help at all.

Anyway hope this helps someone or at least gives insight to how someone is going about this whole crazy LSAT journey, right or wrong.

hey everyone ,

I've been studying for the lsat for a while and plan on taking the test in June but I've been stuck in the late 140s -early 150s... I'd really love some advice on how to jump up into atleast the 160s ... I'm also wondering if this would be possible to even do with little over a month left until test day?

Any ideas about how to keep it together for the 2-4 hours before the 12 pm test? With the 8 am test - you just get up and go - but I'm a bit worried about what to do with my time before the LSAT.

Mainly...how do I not ruin my day before I go in to take the test?

I can't remember what JY says about this, but when I read the LR Powerscore Bible they strongly emphasized reading every single answer choice. I'm scoring in the mid to high 160s now and I've gotten pretty good at knowing when I'm certain it's the right answer and when I'm not so sure (I used to not know what I didn't know lol). Once or twice per section, I know the right answer immediately without a doubt. Do you think it's still necessary to read through the remaining answer choices? If I skipped reading the remaining answer choices, I could devote 5 - 30 seconds checking another question or devoting more time to a harder question. What do you guys think: still read all the answer choices or don't bother?

Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong? From what I've collected I print out 10 copies of a LG from the syllabus, then I do one under extremely loose time constraints, then I do them over and over until I can complete the game in 5 minutes. Then choose a different game and repeat? Thanks!

Hi,

I tried to search the discussions, but I can't seem to find the thread for the hardest LG.

I have just finished the bundle and I want to go through them, but I lost my list of the ones I thought were the hardest!

Right now I have:

Prep Test 19, Question 3

Prep Test 31, Question 2

Prep Test 31, Question 4

Prep Test 34, Question 1

Prep Test 34, Question 4

Does anyone want to add to this list? Thanks!

Has anyone heard of/use a reading strategy where you don't read the question stems in LR and simply figure out the question type via stimulus? If so, is it effective?