You know what's going to be special about the test tomorrow?

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A few years from now, it will just be another PT that no one thinks anything of. PT 82. It'll be a recent PT for a very short while, then it'll be a recent-ish one. Then it'll be one that people take to warm up to the recent ones. Eventually, people will dissect it for drills. There's nothing about it that will stand out to future generations of LSAT students. It'll be like PT 51 is to us now. People really freaked out about PT 51 back in the day. Seems kind of silly now doesn't it? I mean, it's PT 51, who cares, nothing special. There was probably a passage or a game that was kinda hard. Okay, so what? It was a particularly good test for some of us, a particularly bad one for others, and about average for most of us.

PT 82 will be similarly mundane. How can I make such a prediction? The truth is, they're all mundane. I've seen every last one of them, and not a single one was special. We know exactly what will be on PT 82, we know the difficulty will range from fairly easy to insanely difficult, and we know exactly how to handle all of it. So relax knowing that nothing is going to be on 82 that hasn't been on every test prior. Any differences will be entirely superficial.

Good luck everyone, and see y'all after!

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Hi All, Has anyone signed up for tomorrows test and Decembers? Just curious to know how many people schedule this way and what are your reasons?

What is Manhattan Prep talking about when they say "1. Don’t forget your PRINTED admission ticket and a PRINTED photo."

they say to bring a different photo printed, but no where on the ticket or on LSAC's site does it say to do this.. Someone on TLS brought this up and it's kind of confusing.

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/blog/2017/08/24/9-things-need-know-day-of-the-lsat/

So, as a URM myself it's pretty awesome to hear that your chances of admission to harder schools with lower than the median scores at those schools increase. I see users on the URM forum on TLS post their admissions from this past cycle and the results are incredible. I'm aiming for the highest score possible but this is definitely a great confidence booster. My question is, has anyone had these "bumps" happen to them themselves or have heard about it from other law students? My concern is that these numbers only represent a VERY VERY small portion....sort of like the unicorns for URMs that were accepted.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12M14YUWQvgxsF3GXc-syd-Pn3bOcWBUWIX8AJkFbajM/edit#gid=0

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275052

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Hi,

I'm taking the test tomorrow and I only have a printer with black & white ink to print out my ticket. My photo looks fine...is it okay that my ticket isn't in color?

Anyone know if it's permitted to wear hats or other related headgear?

The ticket says "No later than 8:30am." Do people tend to arrive much earlier than then?

So I'm reading the lsat test day sheet and from what I've read, it doesn't look like bringing in coffee in a paper cup is allowed? Is this true? Not that coffee specifically is dis-allowed but it looks like we can only have beverages in plastic containers....SO technically a Starbucks cup wouldn't be a permissible?

Hey guys,

I am almost finished with the CC, but I was just wondering how many of you actually watched all of the LR videos (ie. all the flaw question videos leading up to the problem sets). I have taken a course before that I didn't find to be helpful so I feel like watching 15 flaw videos aren't really helpful to me at this point since I have a pretty good understanding of watching just a few of the videos.

What have you guys done? Did you watch them only to become more familiar with how JY tackles a question or did you watch all of them? Or did you come back to them once you felt like you were still struggling with the problem sets?

Thanks :)

Where can you buy the cambridge difficult passages?

RANDOM POST BUT I'M SO HYPE RIGHT NOW

EVERYTHING WE'VE WORKED SO HARD HAS BEEN FOR THIS DAY. AND THIS DAY IS HERE!

Why some say 180?

Why choose this as our goal?

And they may well ask, why climb the highest mountain?

Why 35 years ago fly the Atlantic?

Why does Rice play Texas?!?!

WE CHOOSE TO GET 180

WE CHOOSE TO GET 180 TOMORROW AND DO THE OTHER THING

NOT BECAUSE IT IS EASY, BUT BECAUSE IT IS HARD!

BECAUSE THAT GOAL WILL SERVE TO ORGANIZE AND MEASURE THE BEST OF OUR ENERGIES AND SKILLS

BECAUSE THAT CHALLENGE IS ONE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT

ONE WE ARE UNWILLING TO POSTPONE

AND ONE WE INTEND TO WIN

I'll see you in Valhalla brothers (and sisters).

I have my admissions ticket printed and ready to go for this Saturday, when I realized my photo does not completely fill the 2x2 box. There is a white bar next to the photo. The photo is clear and you can tell it is me - do you think I will be allowed in or are they going to give me a difficult time/turn me away?

I find in the LR section that it's not a particular type of question that kills my score, but the timing. I notice that I get a few questions wrong in the dead center of the test and then the last few questions. In the middle of the test, I believe my mind tends to wander just to check the time and I get a little more stressed at that point when I realize how much time I have. This also happens at the end when they announce "5 minutes" are left because even though it is a lot of time, I feel like it never is.

Any advice on continuing to focus, without completely ignoring time?

LG is by far my worst section, I can probably get through 2 games.

I'm on a mission to do a TON of games before Sept but I am discouraged. I just don't think theres enough time to fool proof that many games.

I should have spent more of my time on LG..... :( Just venting ya'll this some serious baloney

Great news!!! My LSAT relocation got approved, and I get to take the test tomorrow! Thank you everyone for your support and help. Sorry for the delay in response; I have only had power for three hours.

-AJ

Good evening everyone! I hope you are well.

So, me and other Floridians are trying to keep calm as best we can. A lot of us have no power, no water, no food that comes from the ground, huge ass trees knocked over in our front yards, houses in wee bits, etc.

And while most of us are probably just grateful to be alive, the fact of the matter is that most of our state centers are scheduled or are already closed throughout our area.

When I called the LSAC, they said you cannot get relocated within 100 miles of your original location, and almost all motions to be relocated are denied. They also said they will just keep us posted on updates.

So, yeah, as per what the LSAC has said via email and on the phone, we cannot take the test this Saturday.

And I am not trying to be a beeyatch, but:

*I have been studying for this test for almost a year, while teaching four fourteen hour days and one ten.

*I am no spring chicken; I am going to be 29 when I take the LSAT in December.

*I gave up a visiting professorship in Madrid, so I could take two LSATS [September and December] prior to January/February application deadlines.

*I have taken more PTs in the last few months than I would like to acknowledge.

*Have put so much damn money into this damn test.

Sorry, I don’t mean to bitch, and to be honest, people in my day to day do not grasp the commitment this has been, and I am just looking for advice.

-Has LSAT ever made a natural disaster exception and given a test again prior to the quarterly dates (February/June/September/December)?

-Has anyone ever been delayed, and if so what were the consequences? Personally or financially or what have you?

-I am so nervous that I now only have one shot at getting my aspired score prior to college applications being due. I know that this means I have more time to now prep for the December one, but still….

-Just pretty much any advice would be helpful. I know we cannot plan for things like this, but it is not zero power or water for the last five days that is driving me crazy, but this right here! This is the thing that is dragging me down. Thank you all in advanced so much!

Hey everyone,

I was curious whether one should aim at clocking in answers within the 1:24 minute mark while learning the CC for the first time. I've been taking way more time than necessary on LR questions with a higher difficulty rating (approximately 5 minutes or so on each of those questions). I've read elsewhere that in the CC phase, one is typically fine doing those questions untimed. I'm worried that if I continue to do them untimed I might run into timing issues when I start taking PTs. That said, I do want to get a solid grasp of the logic of this test. Not sure which is the best way to go. Interested in knowing from you experienced test takers!

Hi everybody,

I keep on seeing this question on applications, and I'm not quite sure how to answer it. Does anybody have any idea?

Here's the question.

"Has your education in college, university, or professional school been interrupted for one term or more for any reason?"

Context: I took a leave of absence from a master's program (it was my second one that I was really just doing until I got a job that paid more than the stipend), and left the degree when I got a "real" job. Would that count as a term being interrupted? I left on good standing with the school, and could resume studies at any time.

Thanks in advance!

I was hoping to get a sense of how long I can expect it to take to complete the application process. I understand that this is completely subjective and based on each person, but I am trying to figure out how realistic it will be for me to apply this cycle.

I was planning to take the September LSAT but I am not currently scoring as high as I would like. At this point I can expect between a160-165, the numbers indicate I will be on the lower side. I had a 3.82 undergrad GPA and I would rather not squander that with a mediocre LSAT. I have spent today contemplating if I should postpone until December, but this made me realize that if I did I would not have much time to actually complete the applications once I get my score. I understand there are some portions I might be able to complete before I take the test, but in effect that will take away time from actually prepping. I was really hoping to not need to wait another year before law school, but I am now thinking it is something I might have to consider.

Edit - One other question, will a school look consider the fact that someone already applied and got rejected during a previous cycle?

Hey everyone,

So question 24 in section 2 of Prep Test 61.

This question I've been trying to grapple with for 3 days (seriously). I understand how conditionals work, but this question just doesn't work for me no matter how many times I do it, or listen to J.Y's explanation. I'm getting caught up on two things:

Here is the question:

Stimulus: It is unlikely that someone would see history as the working out of moral themes unless he or she held clear and unambiguous moral beliefs. However, one's inclination to morally judge human behavior decreases as one's knowledge of history increases. Consequently, the more history a person knows, the less likely that person is to view history as the working out of moral themes.

Stem: The conclusion of the argument is properly drawn if which one of the following is assumed?

So the right answer is:

B) The less inclined one is to morally judge human behavior, the less likely it is that one holds clear and unambiguous moral beliefs.

I actually got the right answer, but only through process of eliminating the wrong answers. I couldn't get full connection in this argument to get the answer as the missing sufficient assumption and it is driving me full out mad :)

The first thing that bothers me about this argument is the "unlikely" at the beginning, which I'm not sure exactly what to do with. The second thing is that the second premise [one's inclination to morally judge human behavior decreases as one's knowledge of history increases] does not ring to me as a conditional if/then type of sentence. I see that they are connected, but decreasing/increasing relationships aren't something I see fitting well into a conditional sentence sequence.

Secondly, even if I grant that this is a conditional statement, this is the logic drawing I end up with:

[P1] See history as working out of moral themes (SHWMT) ---> holds clear and unambiguous beliefs (HCUMB)

[P2] Morally judge human behavior decreases (MJHBd) ---> Knowledge of history increases (KHi)

[Conclusion] The more history a person knows (KHi) --> the less likely they are to view history as the working out of moral themes (/SHWMT)

So if I was to write this out in pure logic:

SHWMT --> HCUMB

MJHBd --> KHi

KHi --> /SHWMT

So even if I grant the weird statements around increasing/decreasing I still can't get from this to the missing premise:

The less inclined one is to morally judge human behavior (MJHBd) --> the less likely it is that one holds clear and unambiguous moral beliefs (/HCUMB)

MJHBd --> /HCUMB

I just can't wrap my head around this one as logically connecting in a sequence chain. Am I just having a brain stall?

Any thoughts @Sami ? :)

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-61-section-2-question-24/

Hi guys,

So, I'm over here frustrated trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I can't seem to get out of the mid 150's range -- and I have been here for quite some time. My BR has been going up (currently at 165). I drill often but I'm just not seeing results. I only see them when I BR.

I don't want to keep taking tests though I think I should because I am writing in December (and yes I know I should write only when I'm ready but I have made the decision to put this down after February -- been at it for too long).

I want to hit at least a 160 consistently before the December test but I just don't know what to do anymore. :(

Help!

Can we bring more than 1 watch on test day?

I am putting a new battery in my analog watch but just to be SUPER cautious... haha can we bring more than one? Does anyone know?

Hi,

I'm having a lot of trouble eliminating D on this question, and would love some help if possible! My reasoning:

D) Was the species to which the recently discovered [earlier] dinosaur [X] belonged related to T. rex?

If yes, and T. rex descended from X, this seems to strengthen the author's argument as it suggests that the T. rex features evolved in an earlier ancestor that evidently did not require them for its size. In this scenario the features would have just been passed down to the T. rex, offering an alternate explanation to the scientists' hypothesis and strengthening the author's argument.

If no, and the T. rex and X were unrelated, I feel like this would weaken the author's argument as it would make it difficult to compare the two dinosaurs. Even if X did not evolve these features to support its size, T. rex still may have and it's just a coincidence that they are similar. This would leave us back where we started as the author's evidence for calling the scientists' hypothesis into question is now irrelevant.

Any help clearing this up would be greatly appreciated, I've spent way too long on this question :P

Hi all,

Has the LSAC ever given an experimental section a sthe very first section before?

I'm not too sure what to do, I mean, I'm not doing PTs yet - I just want to focus on improving on each section before starting ahead w the PTs. Should I just keep working away at sections from PTs for LR? Is that the best way to improve?