So my proctor today said that LSAC had informed her that LSAT was going digital for the next June test. Said it could possibly be on a tablet. Also said they might allow a paper option for anyone who'd taken a previous paper test.

So, there's that.

Hey guys! Here's the official September LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the September 2016 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the September '16 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about September's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8821/september-2016-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

My score is on the decline. I have not been able to study as much since fall undergrad semester started, and my score just keeps going down every week. I do not have time to BR and re-do the CC due to undergrad classes / being a parent. If you had to choose between spending more time blind reviewing, or spending time reviewing the lessons.... which would you choose? I'm taking the December test.

P.S. My declining test scores,I have blind reviewed all but the last one:

August16th, PT 78...157

August 21st, PT 37... 152

August 28th, PT 38... 154

Sept 3rd, PT 55... 151

Sept 12th, PT 60.... 151

Sept 18th, PT 59.... 145 !!

Sept 25th, PT 58... 146 !!

Rosenberg cannot evaluate any introductory textbook until Juarez has evaluated that textbook? I would have guessed it would have been "until" so group three, so you negate sufficient so it would be R (intro book)--> J (intro book) but it is actually J intro book -> R intro book. Could someone please explain this?

So I just took the September LSAT and have no idea how I did. But I'm sure I didn't get my target score (169) so do I wait for scores and then start studying again for December or continue studying now? Something just won't click with LR and I've heard of people taking breaks and coming back and it clicks so just wondering what to do here.

So...how did it go??? you guys have my utmost respect for sticking through this! I hope you all scored where you wanted and you kick butt in the Law School of your dreams :D

Would there be a long line during the rest time?

Thanks.

Just wondering...

Hey, I just started the curriculum, is there a way to print out the Logical reasoning questions within the lessons? For example, JY goes over labeling and I would like to actually practice that by printing out the question instead of just seeing it on my computer screen. I don't have all the LSAT prep tests yet.

Thanks.

If anyone saw my posts under BR group PT77, I really tanked that test. But, I learned a lot because I took it without mentally preparing for it when I sat down and more importantly I rushed thru it with conditions similar to being at a SEC football tailgate party in my own home. That day, I had the proctor on and the minute pencils were down - I reset my watch and fast forwarded the proctor to already start the next section. Stupid huh?? Well not so much as it turns out after today.

My experience is not even a blip of Nightmare Test Issues:)

This is a Head's Up reminder that all test sites are different and to PT in all types of conditions!

- We had to stand outside a door until 8:30 am and then were told to use the 1900 era Dairy Queen next door if we had to go to the bathroom before the test started and make sure we were back in line before everyone was checked in when they would close the door. It was really funny to watch everyone crowd around to try to be first in line to go sit at a desk to only sit and wait for everyone else.

- Strict - Our water/beverage containers had to be zipped in the bag before they were inspected. It took almost an hour to check in 14 people...

- We were not allowed to get anything out of our bags or put anything on our desks until everyone was checked in. Then we were allowed to get our pencils, erasers and Kleenex.

- Then we were allowed to get out ONE watch and no one was allowed to wear it on their wrist - it had to be on the table.

- When proctor started reading the initial directions, someone's bag fell over and landed outside the square area under her chair. We had to stop until every bag was completely under each chair.

- I didn't realize until the 5 minute mark was called in the 1st section that the timing assistant would start the electronic timer when the proctor "First Started Reading the Instructions" not when it says you may start Now. We lost almost a minute on every section. Ever heard of a Southern drawl being spoken fast?

- In between the sections, from the time you heard pencils down to when the timer would start was under 15-20 seconds in the 1st half and less than that in the 2nd half.

- 3 proctors for 14 people with a wall of mirrors - visually disturbing but oh well. However, the proctors would walk by each desk, stand over you watching you as you took the test, turn their heads to look you in the eye, take another look at your ID and then look back at you. They continued this round-robin of inspection throughout the test. I just ignored them after the first time but it was very unsettling.

- Our break was on a strict timer in the test room with thankfully a bathroom and only a few people. When the break ended, we began section 4 in under a minute.

- *** This is what really got me - when the proctor started the directions - she told us to "pull out the answer sheet" that we had placed marking the end of Section 3 and the beginning of Section 4 for the break. Next thing we knew the timer was on and we were flipping thru our test books to find section 4 with all 3 proctors hovering over us to make sure we didn't look ahead to Section 5.

- Between Section 4&5 I couldn't even reset a 180 watch before we started. There was a clock but it was across the room and no way to see what time it was when we started. Section 4 was my hardest LR and I really just wanted to catch a breath. Stupid me to not take the precious seconds to go ahead and reset it but I was admittedly flustered.

So were the proctors wrong? No... It was up to me to be prepared for anything and this was nothing in the grand scheme of Test Center debacles.

I was beating myself up on PT77 and was almost so discouraged that I thought long and hard about withdrawing. But I kept at it and regained enough confidence to take it today. Did I crush it - No, not so much. Did I crash and burn - Not as far as I can tell. Did I panic yes, but I was able to reel it in to continue the best I could.

All and all - a great experience thanks to tanking PT77 and other testing situations that helped me stay composed and focused on the reason I was sitting in that chair:)

Summary: The perfect test center, at least this time around. To anyone in Cincinnati, Columbus, or even Indianapolis, or in any surrounding areas, I highly suggest you consider taking the test here. The university is situated in a town with a population of a few thousand, and the university itself has a student body of a few thousand. The campus is thus relatively small and quiet, and the building used as the test center is on the quiet end (the very end) of campus. I'm biased because the university is my alma mater, but the 2.5 hour drive to get there was more than worth it.

Setting Pros: The rooms were large, and with only maybe 15 test takers, we were all placed far apart from one another. There are no desks in the entire building, only long tables. The room we were in had especially long ones, which curved around the class and were divided into two sections, with a walkway in between them. The room was quiet with little to no background noise, lighting was good, and the entire building was absent anyone aside from test takers and the proctors. The bathrooms are ten seconds away from the testing room, and parking is free and more than plentiful. Parking spaces can be found on the side and back of the building, and the parking lot is immediately adjacent to the building. Chairs are padded and have nice backs to them, and given that I deal with chronic back pain, I'd like to think my perspective on the chairs is a telling one, haha. The inn is a two-minute drive from the testing center, and the drive is down the town's main road. The inn itself is nice - not many breakfast options, but I brought my own breakfast. During off times, 90-100% of the people staying at the inn are in their 60s, and the inn was thus very, very quiet.

Setting Cons: Usually, the rooms in the building have really good air conditioning, though it was noticeably warm on test day. This may have been the result of the recent heat wave that had just come in. I was wearing pants and a buttoned-down shirt and was fine enough, though I tend to get cold more than warm when indoors.

The building used for the testing center is a bit tucked away, though that's hardly saying much given the small size of the campus. I knew how to get there, of course, so I can only guess the degree of difficulty finding the building. I saw a few handmade signs that read "LSAT" along the town's main road and in campus, but I only noticed them after the test.

There's only one small inn in town, and it will be booked well in advance should there be any big events on campus. I was able to get a room a month out, though I don't think they had many rooms available. All other hotels are at least twenty minutes out, if not farther.

Proctor Pros: Both proctors were practically perfect. I heard them quickly and quietly whisper to one another three times during the entire test, and even then, it was basically undetectable. Time was held to a tee. The proctors were nice, patient, and not overbearing. I had a proctor walk by me maybe two or three times during the test.

Proctor Cons: The proctors quietly whispered a total of maybe ten words to each other the entire test.

If someone could help me out on this one I am completely lost.

I know you can eliminate A and B and they both talk about what proportion of part time/full time employees quit before the policy was introduced and we only have information about what happened after the new policy was introduced.

I guess I need help in understanding answer choices C-E. I thought C was the correct answer because if more new full time employees are hired, then the conclusion does not follow from the premises. If more new full time employees are hired then it could be the same amount quitting in their first year even with the percentage 1/3 full time.

I'm not a mathematician, so I could be totally off. If someone could help me I would be most appreciative.

Hey guys,

So I took the test today and I totally messed up the logic games section --- I ended up guessing on the last five questions. I think I did okay everywhere else, I may have guessed on a few reading comp. questions and one logical reasoning, but not a disaster like the logical reasoning. I was really hoping for at least a 165 to get into my top choice school... should I cancel my score?

Hello,

So I have applied for accommodations, but I did not explain why I do not have previous records or papers in the statement because there was not enough space to put it.

Can I send an email to them to explain it now? It's about a week, but I have not received their decisions yet.

Or should I wait for decision and if I'm denied or asked to submit additional documents, then send emails and explain it?

Is there anyone sent emails to add information to your statements?

Once it's denied, would it be difficult to acquire the accommodations even though we submit additional statements or documents?

Thanks,

Hello all,

I am an accommodated test taker, and my test has been scheduled for tomorrow (Sunday) instead of today (Saturday). I was wondering if anyone had insight regarding whether I will receive the same exam that was administered today, or if I will receive a totally different test. Thanks in advance for any information.

I left out of the testing center feeling good about the exam. Now I'm second guessing my performance. I know it's too late now. But I think I feel into the E trap answer that I was warned about. Than again I'm not sure. 10/20 huh? Im sure to lose a few pounds.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-6-section-4-game-4/

SOB. I knew I had seen something close to it.

TBH I'm not even mad you can only remember so much on test day. Damn that sucks though. Someone out there has done this game and recalled it today on the test and was rewarded for their hard work. Mad props if that's you.

This game has 5 questions and a target time of ~10 minutes so with two additional questions we could be in 12+ target time territory. Too soon to say though as I think something was hidden that made this game easy. Excited to see how to go about solving it

Ah im pissed though...damn

So I work on this question. It takes "otherwise" as indicator for bicondition. I wonder which course JY mention about "otherwise"

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-3-question-22/

Hi fellow 7Sagers, while commenting on the September Discussion, I would be thankful if someone can explain to me why answer choice C is wrong and E is right. It would be great if you could explain to me what exactly CPUE mean in the context of the question

Anyone know if some accommodated test takers who take it several days or so after the real one are given the same test? I heard from a friend who tutors that one of her students took it a week later in June because of accommodations and had the same test, which seems kind of weird to me. Just curious if that is one of the reasons for the code of silence pertaining to talking about specifics.

In @Pacifico's attacking the logic games strategy post he mentions that 7Sage has formatted the older logic games into the current 2 pages per game layout so they can be printed off and worked just like the current tests. Is this still available?

If you have retaken or know you're gonna have to retake, what kind of study break/schedule do you guys take between test day and the score release date and then between score release date and the next test date?

I contemplated all day and finally did what my heart told me to do and not what my ego has been telling me...Withdraw...You're not ready. Almost ready = not ready. Period. Any illusions and delusions I had about pulling a urban legend miracle on test day needed to be shattered. It was really painful to withdraw but I'm so glad I did.

Can anyone tell me exactly how to access the problem sets??? Sorry guys I know it's a dumb question

i would like some understanding for the strengthening/weakening question types. if an answer choice contain "some/most/many/few" or similar, should i presume that the answer choice would be more likely wrong than right? i was thinking it would lean towards being wrong because since those are not "all" or "none", they allow for outliers.

also, if the conclusion of the stimulus explicitly says "All x..." or "No y..." would "some/most/many/few/etc." answer choices lean more towards being right than wrong?

any help would be appreciated!

So if you could give a difficulty level for LSAT sections, what would you grade them as? a.k.a 7sage style 1 is the easiest 5 is the toughest

also do you think the curve will be significant due to last game and tough RC?