Is it true that the newer LG sections are easier than usual? I've heard that the most brutal LG sections are in the early 2000s. Is there any truth to this? June and February 2016 test takers (if there are any left) what kind of games did you run into on the actual test?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-1-question-11/

I got my answer right for this question. But in JY's explanation, he explained the meaning of the last sentence as: # of people who consume Caffeine is GREATER OR EQUAL to # of people who consume other addictive substances.

I am confused that JY explained "as many as"="GREATER OR EQUAL to". I always remember "as many as" means "EQUAL to" from my grammar lesson. Could someone help me with this confusion?

Thank you in advance!

BTW, JY mentioned this question is extremely hard. How much time should I spend on an extremely hard questions? I am still in drilling mode and I spend 4 mins on this question. I know for sure that is too much time for 1 question........

Thanks!

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This is one of those.. had I known back then.. stories. I spent 2 years at a "nationally" accredited college.. not regionally accredited, aka diploma mill or what have you.. I did earn an associate degree (paralegal studies). It was right out of high school, I actually had no idea at the time that my credits were not going to transfer to a 4 year university.. nor did I realize the harm I was doing to myself by going to this school (first generation college student, parents were proud, understandably, that I was actually pursuing college given my unattractive behavior during high school years). I did get a good job afterward and still work as a paralegal so I mean, it could've been worse, I think. Any way, still not giving up on the law school goal, I started over essentially, and 3 years later I am nearly done with a bachelor degree. I do know the LSAC requires the transcript from that school, so I am wondering will the credential assembly services be calculating in the grades from a school that is not regionally accredited? I did call the LSAC and the lady did not really understand my question, put me on hold then came back and said she thinks so but doesn't see why they wouldn't. ??? Anyone have an idea? I know that grad schools will not factor in that GPA. In using the 7sage UGPA calculator, the 2 year school actually boosts my GPA so I am kind of hoping they do count it.. but not sure??

This would be cool and I wouldn't have to use countdown timer . com bs.

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Hello 7sagers,

I need your advice on how to react to this drop…

I’ve reached my peak score in the late 60 pts scoring 161-164 range which is my target score. I thought I was definitely ready for the September test.

To my surprise, starting with pt69 to 70, I felt like I was so lost in LR and scored 157 on both of them.

Is it just me who feels there’s a dramatic change in LR Qstems?

I feel so discouraged and am even considering to postpone the test..

I believe standardized tests should retain similar difficulties over tests and these differences are such a bummer..

Any suggestions..?

Hey everyone!

LG is generally my strength, but when it comes to In/Out games I absolutely bomb them every time (time-and strategy/diagramming-wise).

What have some of you done to improve on In/Out games to improve your accuracy and timing? Just doing certain games over and over again (basically fool-proof method?). I feel like I try to do that, but in the end I just memorize the answers and I don't get anything out of it after a while.

Would love to get your input!

What is the overlap between these two concepts? It seems like answer choices need to be on a certain side of the arrow to be correct.

I saw someone post in a different discussion a video of Nichole Hopkins (from ilovelsat.com) going over her notation method. Does anyone else use her method? I just wanted to get some thoughts from others who have tried it. While watching the video, I was excited because I really thought it was going to be helpful. However, trying to implement it has been difficult.

I haven't had a lot of trouble with the RC section, except when I'm taking a full practice test. I haven't really employed any notation method because during the core curriculum, I was doing very well on RC. My notation method was pretty much just circling random things I thought might come up and notating the argument structure loosely. Before I started doing full tests, I was getting -1 or -2 on full, timed RC sections. But on the full test, I've been getting -5 to -7.

So, I thought I'd try Nichole's method. So far, it's really slowing me down and I don't comprehend as much as I used to. I'm just wondering, is it just a matter of doing it over and over until it becomes second nature before it becomes helpful? Or should I just go back to what I was doing before?

I have a somewhat weird question.

You see the LSAT is graded on a curve which means your score also depends on others’ scores.

Does this mean that you’re more likely to get a higher score for the same amount of correct answers if other test takers do badly?

If that’s the case, does it mean that you’re more likely to get a higher score if you take the test, say in Japan where the average test takers’ English proficiency is way lower than say, in the US?

As a huge proponent of mixing the more current PT's in a study plan, it is a great time to fit PT78 in the schedule.

Unfortunately for me, my copy of PT78 has not arrived. For anyone that wants to save PT78 for closer to Dec/Feb take, please let me know if you are interested in getting together to review the previously scheduled PT43.

We can use Skype or Google Hangouts if there is any interest:)

Hi, I was just wondering if anybody knows if 7Sage has a tool that allows a user to download all the notes they make during the core curriculum in those note boxes, in a pdf or word document. I've been searching the site and haven't found one :/

I made a ton of notes and now that I'm done the core curriculum I'd like to be able to print out everything I wrote without having to manually copy and paste content from a very lengthy page of notes under the "my notes" tab. By having my notes printed out, I wouldn't need to have to log in and scroll down pages to look for stuff, I could just flip through a stapled booklet. For me this would make cementing core curriculum ideas into my head easier, plus I wouldn't have to stare at a screen all day.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Hello fellow September LSATters :)

What's your game plan for the next month?

My last two PTs (71,72), I scored a 173 and 172 respectively. I'd be BEYOND happy with that score on the actual LSAT. But I'm getting nervous about the actual test date and wanted to hear some thoughts on what might be the best way to embrace the final month. At the moment, I plan on PTing and BRing twice a week (expect the final week before test) with a day or two or timed-sections in between. Thoughts?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-4-game-4/

Hi guys, I got a problem with translation of last rule of Game 4 of PT 24.It would be great if someone could help me and explain my error to me?

The rule states V cannot be in 'unless' (negate sufficient) both H and M are in.

Can, is a indicator (negate necessary) which in this case because we have cannot should be translated /H or /M -->V and its contrapositive would be /V --> H and M.

The correct translation based on J.Y. video and answer choices is V ---> H and M.

I have noticed that once every few PTs I take, an answer will be removed from scoring. I was wondering if anyone on 7sage has any insight as to how LSAC determines which questions to exempt from scoring, is any part of this methodology published, are LR questions the only type they exempt etc? I really would just find any additional information about this fascinating so please share!

Hi there! I am scheduled to take the September 24th LSAT and I am needing advice on whether I should postpone and take the December LSAT or go ahead with the September LSAT as a trial run and cancel my score and then take the December LSAT. I have only taken three PT's as of last week, my first, which I bombed with a timed score of 136 and BR 161. However, my second PT, I went up 6 points to a 142 and BR to a 164 and third PT remained at 142 but BR score went up to 166. My weakest area is LG-- I have not been able to successfully complete the section in its entirety (taking over 10 minute a game) but I am improving. I figure once I have the LG down then my score with dramatically improve. Also, I have completed the curriculum and have been studying since the beginning of May 2016. I have been studying at least 4 hours a day during the week and 8 hours/day during the weekend. I can’t seem to shake the test anxiety under the timed conditions and I fear this with a lack of confidence in my LG section is really hurting me. I am now planning now on doing 4 PT's a week until the exam date and strengthen my low points in between PT days. I have been researching discussions on similar situations regarding postponing/canceling LSAT's and it does discourage me and make me question whether I should do the same. I realize that there is a month before the September LSAT but I still believe that I can raise my score to level my BR (mid 160's) within the month despite how foolish it may seem. My plan as of right now is to go through with the September LSAT regardless but I would only keep the score if I see significant/consistent improvement in the next two weeks (leveling with my BR score or close to) and If I do not see significant improvement then simply use it as a trial run and cancel my score after, then retake in December. I REALLY do not want to postpone for next year and really want to do anything and everything to be able to attend law school in fall 2017. Does anyone have any good advice/considerations/tips haven't taken into account? Will taking the December LSAT hurt me as far as admission applications? Is a cancellation a bad idea? I really appreciate any helpful advice.

I found this comment posted on the PT explanation page And I was wondering if anyone could answer what this person has to say because I'm in the same exact position as this them. If you could watch the pt explanation video or look at the question than look at the copied and pasted comment below: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-52-section-1-question-22/ (Explanation link)

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I have no issue identifying what part of an answer choice is a conclusion and which part(s) is/are a premise. However, I’m not always sure how to translate a prem or conclusion into which is necessary and which is sufficient.

For ex., we only have the necessary conditions for something that is wholly truthful. BUT when I read A, (and for the sake of this question lets assume that he was actually abducted so that it meets the “true” component of the necessary), I can’t tell what becomes sufficient and necessary.

So assuming it really was true and it wasn’t intended to deceive, how do I know that these are sufficient and not necessary IN the answer choice?

Is there really a way at all to conclude something in an answer choice THAT IS GIVEN TO US AS A SUFFICIENT in the stim? I could only think of something like “The only wholly truthful statement ted made to the investigator was true and he was not trying to deceive the investigator….”

But clearly, that doesn’t make very much sense. lol

OR, could they give you an answer choice that said something like “Ted made a wholly truthful statement, therefore, his claim about (and go off on a long confusing description) was both truthful and made without the intention to deceive”

This may be more of a therapeutic post than an informative one but maybe it will help some who are in the same boat! =)

I initially registered to take the February 2016 LSAT. I was a full time college student and thought a few months and I would absolutely be ready to take on this beast. Little did I know how much of a beast this exam actually is. As the test date approached I realized how unprepared I was and decided to postpone until June. With all the excitement of graduation and finishing the last hurdle of my final semester, I was again unprepared for the June exam and postponed AGAIN until September. Here it is, now the end of August and I have been back at work full time since graduation and have not dedicated nearly enough time to this. I thought about postponing again until December but reading a few posts on here and finally waking up, I decided to cancel my September exam and I will not be registering for the exam until I feel absolutely ready! (June 2017 is my secret, not so secret anymore, goal though, hehe).

This was a difficult decision to make for me. I put restrictions on myself such as "By the time I am 30 I want to be........" And have finally realized how unnecessary and detrimental that is. Putting off law school for another year and a half, two years is scary but I want to give myself the best chance possible and that's what we all need to do...allow ourselves the best chance to reach our max potential regardless of how long it may take. We are worth that!

So here I am, end of August, not registered for the LSAT, re-starting the 7Sage course and feeling thrilled about it. =)

Hey guys,

So I just recently did Game 3 from PT 62 as a Grp-chart game and got -2. Later I learnt that doing that game in a non chart form helps with not making mistakes.

So my question is, when you have two set of variables given with a certain number of spaces allotted for e.g. exactly 4 employees, Q,R,S,T each attend exactly two of the talks,F, G, H, I.

OR something like researchers H,L,P will learn at least one at most three languages R,S,T for e.g., how do you tell for sure whether to use a chart or not?

Hi,

I’ve completed my schooling this year and I’m confused in selecting the right career option that suits me. I’m interested in welding and love to select it as my future job but don’t know much about this. I’ve gone through this website *removed* and I am interested in the courses they are offering. Is there anyone working in this field? What can be the working conditions like stress, physical comfort travel etc? What are the opportunities for someone who enter this career? Does this career provide time to balance with family and work? Please share your experiences.. Thanks in advance….

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I am having a lot of trouble seeing how C and D are not saying the same exact thing. Here is how I broke down the structure of the argument.

Premise: Mars escaped severe bombardment by asteroids.

Major Premise/Minor Conclusion: There could have been microbial life on Mars prior to there being such life on Earth.

Premise: Many meteorites originating from Mars have landed on Earth.

Conclusion: Life on Earth may have started when a meteorite carrying living microbes were carried here from Mars.

Most explanations for this question say that D is wrong because it does not establish the truth of the main conclusion, saying that just because there was life on Mars does not guarantee that a meteorite carried life from Mars to Earth. But the thing I am having trouble understanding is that both the minor conclusion and major conclusion account for the possibility that they are not true by using could/may. So in order for the both conclusions to be true, all you would need to show is that it is possible.

After all, if the minor conclusion is true, if there is a possibility that there was microbial life on Mars, isn't it certainly true that this allows for the possibility for a meteor to carry such life to Earth (which is what the main conclusion is).

Hello 7sagers !

I have been watching the discussions closely, and I first want to say congrats on all of your progress !! Many of you are doing extremely well. Unfortunately I have hit rock bottom. I took a course over the summer and my initial diagnostic score of 144 went down to a 138 by the end of two months. I was supposed to take the September LSAT, but I have moved it back to December because I want to get the best score possible. I am working on LSAT every single day. I feel i am getting better but i have yet to see any improvements. I would be extremely satisfied if i could get to 160. I know i have unmatched work ethic, but it seems like im having the time of my life trying to grasping the material. For now I am reading the powerscore books, using practice tests, and flashcards to help me. I think i can make the biggest improvement in Logic reasoning because I enjoy it so much. However, I need to make at least 18 correct in each section to get a 160. Please help!! I am not sure what to to do. What are some techniques that have helped you all? Im familiar with LSAT now with all the practice i have put in over the past three months. I just need to break through.

PLEASE list the key components that helped you piece things together for each section. Was their key videos that helped you make sense of everything ? Please let me know.

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I haven't had any score improvement from ~3 months of studying. I just took a prep test after going through ~50% of the 7sage curriculum in the past 2 months and my score actually got worse. I got a 157 a few days ago, my last PT (2 months ago) I got a 160. I feel more confident in answering the questions, finished almost all of the logic games (before I wouldn't be able to finish them), but I still got pretty much the same amount of questions wrong. I took PrepTest 52, the logic games were kind of different than what I've encountered so far. My wrong answers in LR are now more concentrated in the "hard" questions instead of all over the place, so I guess I'm happy with that.

Do I just hope for improvement in the next month and take the September test and then take December if I don't like my score?

I would like at least a 160.

I know the pretty obvious answer would be that taking the test shouldn't be based on hoping for the best and of course I should postpone. The problem is the December LSAT is the Saturday before my finals (I'm on quarter system at a UC). I can definitely handle studying for the LSAT along with studying for my finals and just showing up to take the test on that day, but I really doubt I'll be in peak mental condition. I get pretty bad test anxiety even though I do always end up getting good grades.

Maybe my GPA & personal statement will be strong enough that if I get a bit under a 160 I'll still get into my TC ? :(