Got a $90k scholarship from Brooklyn law, and $75k from Seton Hall Law. Seton hall has a better ranking, but from what I’ve heard, Brooklyn law is better suited for the NYC market. Any views? TIA

Hi All-

I just want to share some information I normally give my students before test day

Take care of yourself - This is a test you study for in the long term. Cramming won’t help and may hurt you if you skimp on sleep. There are always things you could’ve done differently, but overall if you’ve given it your best, that’s all you can ask for in the long-haul. If you haven’t, there’s always another test day. But if you’ve put in the long term studying, now is the time to take care of yourself before test day.

I wouldn’t advise taking any PT the day before the test. The best thing you can do is go over your review sheets or craft one if you haven’t already.

Make sure your “go bag” is ready with everything you need for the test - proper credentials, anything you want to bring. Have it ready so you aren’t worried about it before the test.

If you haven’t already, drive to the test center if possible. That way you’re familiar with the route. Even just seeing the route a second time the next day gives you the confidence that comes with some level of familiarity.

Set a firm deadline to finish any review before dinner time. Have a nice meal with protein and healthy choices. Maybe watch a movie or something fun to unwind.

Prepare a snack for the break during the test. My favorite is almond butter and jelly on whole grain bread (or pbj). It’s got protein and good carbs. Plus, it will keep you satiated without weighing you down.

Get plenty of sleep tonight. You’ve got to perform at peak mental condition tomorrow, and you can’t do that if you’re compromising your sleep. Obviously set an alarm, but I always say the ideal amount of sleep is the amount where you wake up refreshed before the alarm.

The morning of test day -

Have a good breakfast with protein and good carbs to sustain you.

If you drink coffee or some sort of caffeine in the morning regularly, go ahead and keep with your routine. If you don’t, now is probably not the time to start ;)

Maybe 20 mins of light cardio.

If you have the time, it can be worth it to do some easy problems to get the kinks out and warm up i.e. the set up for logic games, reading an RC passage, and a few easy LR questions. The key point is that this material should be EASY. It’s just to get you warmed up and in the habit like stretching before physical exercise.

Get to the test center early so that way you don’t have to stress. Take any extra time to look over your review sheet.

During the break, I highly recommend that you keep to yourself. You don’t need anyone else’s energy to mess with you. Be polite but keep to yourself. You can always talk about the test later. Go to the bathroom whether you need to or not and enjoy your snack. Do some breathing exercises or stretching.

After the test, no matter how you felt you did and whether you think this is going to be your last time or not, write down your takeaways. Whether it’s the stuff that worked well or the stuff you want to figure out how to improve for next time, that information is invaluable. If you take the test again, this info is unique to your specific experience and you can use it to guide your future prep. It’s super important you do this! I’ve found it invaluable.

Best of luck tomorrow! I’m proud to say I took the LSAT three times - I’ve been both disappointed with my score and I’m grateful to have scored in the 99th percentile on my final take. I respect the time and work you’ve put in and I know you’re putting yourself on the line. It’s not an easy thing to do - I’ve been there. I get it. I’m rooting for you.

If you have any questions before or after the PT, feel free to reach out to me

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I'm really beginning to feel defeated. I started off with a diagnostic of 140 and have been practicing only my scores has dropped to a 139 and then to a 138 as of my latest prep test tonight. I'm seriously just considering taking the GRE which will lower my options of schools to choose from and take all of my top choices out of the running. I just cannot seem to conquer the LSAT and I hate that this test is the most important part of the law school application process! I can do the actual work but when it comes to tests, I struggle big time.

Hi Everyone,

I took my first timed diagnostic today and I scored a 140. LR was by far my best section (still guessed a couple due to timing) and I basically guessed my way through the entire LG section (haven't learned this yet). On reading comp, I was also a little constrained by time, which forced me to guess a couple of questions as well.

Considering that timing was an issue, on top of that I had absolutely no idea how to approach any of the LG, I believe that a 140 is not an awful first take at the LSAT. I am sure, when I start learning LG and further strengthen my RC AND LR, I will be able to increase my score significantly.

Even though a 140 is not ideal, do you guys think a score in the 160s is possible in the future?

The personal statement draft I've been working on focuses on my advocacy work experience and the ups and downs I've faced during them. I was wondering if this is too close to becoming a "resume rundown" essay – if I go into more detail on my personal feelings and what I learned through these experiences, would this still be an OK essay?

Idk what’s been going on, but lately, I’ve been doing phenomenally well in the past weeks on PTs, been nailing in the 170s. Some of them were tests I’ve seen before but in the past that usually hasn’t meant too much. I was getting my reading comp score down to the -1 to -4 range. More often around a -3.

My last few tests were:

165 on PT 82

177 on PT 83

164 on C2 (-9 RC!!!)

168 on PT 84

171 on PT 85

Now today I took the first three sections of PT 86 and I’m tracking at a 167... with a -7 on RC . With the June Test tomorrow, I’m just bugging out. I’m thinking of finishing PT 86, and then trying to review the RC and LR, and then reviewing the RC on C2. The other part of me wants to just stop and shut down, maybe go to the gym and sleep super early. Not sure if this is burnout, stress, or just a fearful truth that maybe I just suck at this.

Other things I can think of are maybe for C2 I got nailed because I had spent 5 or so hours doing BR straight right before it. I also haven’t eaten breakfast today so maybe that could be hurting me too. Idk.

Anyone with burnout experience have any input?

Hi all-- I am new to the community, but thought I would post my current struggle to see what great advice you all may have!

I scored a 158 on my first LSAT last September, and then with the help of the 7Sage LG videos, I scored a 165 in November. I have decided to try one last time this July to breach the 170s. I missed 3 on RC, 3 on LG, 4 on the first LR, and 7 on the second LR, on my 165 LSAT. I have decided to try to perfect the LR sections as closely as I can, but I keep missing 3-4 and 6-7 on each practice LR section that I do (started studying again about 2 weeks ago with the CC, and practice-testing this past week).

Any advice on how I can narrow down my LR missed questions? Or any advice on how to get that 5 point jump in general?

Thanks a million, and keep up the hard work!

on the LSAC website is says writing is typed and separate now? How do I do that? And does it still not count for the score?

So first I'll admit that I spent far too many months on the curriculum and haven't haven't enough practice tests. My actual LSAT is tomorrow.

I I consistently scoring WELL BELOW where I want to be. Barley higher than when I first started. I'm a wreck!! Logic games is my absolute worst, I usually don't get more than 10 LG questions correct on a PT.

Aside from that, I think I have a good grasp on LR. I understood all the lessons and did will with the problem sets through the curriculum. However, for LR, every time I take a timed PT, I do process of elimination and get it down to 2 choices, I stare at it for a while, realize I'm running out of time, pick the one I was leaning toward, and move on. Except I always choose the wrong one.

What is going on??

I took the June 2017 Official Test and got a 154. Sine then, I studied like a madman and then I got a 164 on the March 2019 Official Test. So, after almost two years of intensive prep, this 180 feels pretty sweet. I'll be taking the July test soon.

The biggest difference between this practice test and any other test I've taken was me trusting my instincts and almost being on auto-pilot throughout the entire test. I was very rarely consciously thinking while taking this test, but I was mostly just reacting to the questions presented in front of me.

Obviously no incorrect answers is ideal, but I just took my first PT and I was curious about understanding how to see my potential given each section breakdown.

For example, I've heard logic games are something that can be quickly improved upon - but does anyone have insight into LR and RC. For example, is a cold ~75% in RC a good base - or is there typically not much improvement in that section given reading comprehension is something learned for years

In other words, are there any markers for a base in certain scores indicating a range people should (and should not) be aiming for? I guess I just want to be realistic in my expectations of what I should be aiming for, but I don't know what one should expect in terms of improving section by section (as opposed to people generally saying they've improved ~8-10 points overall).

Hi all,

I know there is some data out there for this on LSN , but I was just wondering if anyone had some insight on what type of numbers people need compared to a school’s median in order to be competitive for a large or close to full scholarship. For example, say someone is 4-5 points over the LSAT median, .1over the GPA, and is an otherwise decent applicant, should that person be expecting close to a full ride? I know there are no exact numbers for this and every school is ultimately different, but still thought some people might have a little info.

Most of the time when I slow down and read the question aloud I understand the logic and the reasoning. But when I try to do problem sets under timed conditions I wind up getting most of the hard questions (160+) incorrect. It feels like I just don't comprehend the question correctly in the heat of the moment because it is written in such a dense format. Anyone else have this issue and if so, does it fade with time?

For reference I'm about 2 weeks into full time (but frankly unfocused) study, planning on taking the September LSAT

Hi All,

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I feel it's important to lay out everything in order to provide accurate context.

Essentially, I've had quite a lengthy LSAT journey so far (although nothing compared to some other brave and determined 7sagers) and I've sort of hit a wall and am hoping to get some of y'all's thoughts.

I started studying for the LSAT while I was in college about two years ago. My first diagnostic score was a 148, which I know is quite low. My target date was last June (June 2018). Since I was studying while being in school, which made my studying schedule not very consistent, I couldn't take it in June, so I had to reschedule to July. That ended up being a bad idea since I started an intense internship in July and ended up having to work and study at the same time. I then rescheduled to September, but once I started school and one of the most intense semesters, I had to yet again reschedule. Essentially, I've rescheduled sitting for the LSAT about 4-5 times. I just graduated from college and my last semester was incredibly academically intense, so I took a break from the LSAT and as soon as I graduated about 3 weeks ago, I started studying again. Currently, I'm PT-ing in the mid 160s. One of my biggest issues is that when I take timed individual sections, I do incredibly well on them! I average -0/-1 on LG, -1/-3 on RC, and -3/-4 on LR. But when I sit down to take a practice test, I do significantly worse. In other words, if I combined the latest 4 sections I took individually, my score would be in the mid-170s, but my practice test scores are mid-160s.

At this point, I'm feeling quite burnt out. Truth be told, I've been feeling burnt out maybe for the past 5-6 years. I went to a top high school, then a top college (top 10), I graduated with not one but TWO majors, a minor, and a certificate, all while taking classes in three additional languages. I founded and ran many organizations while in college, I wrote articles for a national newspaper, did a radio show, did a bunch of prestigious internships in the US and abroad, studied abroad, ran a big organization outside of college, and did a lot of other things. I graduated with a 3.87 GPA (but if you add in the A+s, my CAS GPA is a 3.92). I was even busier in high school (like I was a competitive pianist/violinist, karate champion, etc etc). And to be perfectly frank, I haven't had more than one or two weeks off (during which I've definitely worried about and done at least SOME work).

My plan is to take one or two years off to work before starting law school. I'll most likely be starting my job in late August/early September. But at this point, I'm not sure if I should sit for the July exam. Should I take a break, maybe a whole month off and just not do ANY academic work but instead relax and start studying again in July? Another issue is that I want to do a dual degree (JD and MPP), so I have to also take the GRE at some point (for admission into a government school to do the MPP), which is why I'll probably give myself two years instead of one before doing the dual degree. I just REALLY wanted to get the LSAT out of the way because I'm so done with it. But I also know that if I sit down and actually study thoroughly and intensely (because frankly these past two years, my studying has not been intense enough since I was always simultaneously busy and burnt out lol, just always pushing through the mental fatigue), I can score in the mid 170s on the actual exam. I feel I still have room to improve, and I've already made about a 15-20 point jump (from 148 when I first started to consistently mid-160s).

If anyone has any similar experiences or just generally has some advice, suggestions, recommendations, anything, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know! I'd love to hear all your thoughts, even if they're harsh or direct or anything. I'm used to making my own decision, but I also really value others' opinions.

Again, sorry for the length of this. Happy to answer any questions if it would help understand my predicament better. Thank you 7sage for being the best community ever!

Hi All,

We are the “extension group” for the LSAT July 15th.

We will be doing a BR Session every Sunday, starting on Sunday, June 2, from 7:00pm-9:00pm ET. On some occasions we might be able to add an additional morning session. In general, I suggest we stay with 50 and up.

Here is the tentative schedule:

Sunday, June 2, 7-9pm EST, PT 74

Sunday, June 9, 7-9pm EST, PT 76

Sunday, June 16, 7-9pm EST, PT 79

Sunday, June 23, 7-9pm EST, PT 81

Sunday, June 30, 7-9pm EST, PT 83

Sunday, July 7, 7-9pm EST, PT - TBD

Sunday, July 14, Meditation Day

Monday, July 15- Game Day.

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Optional Sunday morning sessions ( any suggestions?):

PT 54

PT 56

PT 59

Take the scheduled practice exam under timed conditions before each session.

We will focus on the Logical Reasoning sections only.Next, blind review on your own by breaking down the stimulus, picking the answer choice you feel is correct, and write or type out your reasoning for each correct choice and 4 incorrect answer choices (which will help you remember your train of thought during the study session). Please do not check your answers after your blind review on your own.

Then, input the most difficult questions into the excel spreadsheet before the session. This will let us know what we need to focus on, so we can use our time more efficiently:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oNWzBp8j8j2iU0ftihzTXK7XQCcQ4YqNwbHPD5h-dRc/edit?usp=sharing

I'm interested in joining a study group for the November 2019 LSAT, but I'm not sure how it works or what it means. Do we just meet and chat or is there a curriculum....?

Felicitations Malefactors,

I’m currently enrolled in 7Sage Ultimate and I am planning on taking the October Lsat. I just started studying last week and so far I feel like I’m understanding the material.My issue is that the workload is a little overwhelming, considering that I’m scheduled (according to my syllabus and study plan) to do 20-34h of work each week.

To decrease my weekly workload, I am now considering moving my LSAT to November. The only issue I have with this is that I could mess up and wouldn’t really have enough time to retake, to apply for the Fall 2020 cycle (some schools I’m considering may not accept lsat scores past November). Obviously I would be taking a risk there.

Also, if I took the Lsat in October but followed a more laid back schedule, I would probably only end up doing about 25-30 practice tests, including blind review.

Do you guys think 27 PT are enough? Or should I give myself more time and take the November test? Thanks in advance!

How specifically do you approach diagramming in order to minimize the writing necessary while maximizing clarity and organization? Especially when splitting game boards, I find that I end up wasting a lot of time just copying game boards over and over again when I've already made the inferences in my head. Any tips for cutting down on the time needed to diagram without sacrificing too much on clarity or organization?

Hey, I'm just a few hours away from finishing my LR part of the CC but at this point I'm quite unsure about what my weaknesses are and I'm wondering if I should come back to LR after I wrap up the CC in 2 weeks or start reviewing it alongside LG?

Also, I've exhausted the Problem sets so what resources should I be using to practice more? (Haven't taken any PT yet)

I was wondering of any of you would be able to recommend a good source for writing samples. I would like to see actual examples of this assignment. I an foreign educated and never took SAT, I have a very vague idea of how this sample should look like.

I will greatly appreciate if any of you can recommend a good resource.

Andrii Onysko

Just a quick post for anyone taking this Monday's LSAT - we've got this! I'm resisting the urge to do a bunch of problem sets and trying to just relax.. Time to trust the 7sage process and rock it on Monday. I'm very grateful for the support and advice that y'all have provided.

Anyone else struggling on the digital RC about how to markup the low-res notations for each paragraph? Solutions?

The greater the number of people who regularly use a product, the greater the number whose health is potentially at risk due to that product. More people regularly use household maintenance products such as cleaning agents and lawn chemicals than regularly use prescription medicines. Therefore, it is even more important for such household products to be carefully tested to ensure their safety than it is for prescription medicines to be so tested.

Which one of the following principles, if valid, most helps to justify drawing the conclusion in the argument above?

I put A but the credited answer is C. Can anyone tell me why, please? Thanks!

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Any fruit that is infected is also rotten. No fruit that was inspected is infected. Therefore, any fruit that was inspected is safe to eat.

The conclusion of the argument follows logically if which one of the following is assumed?

I put A, but the credited answer is E. Can someone tell me why, please? Thanks!

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