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Hey all!

I know the topic of retaking PTs and their value has been discussed many times, but I just wanted to get a little more specific advice.

Here is my situation. I scored 167 on the June LSAT and I plan to retake it in October.

Before the June test I used up all the PTs and now I have a problem with a lack of fresh material for studying.

Starting from July I have retaken eighth full PTs (from the 60s and 70s) with an average score of 177 (Section performance is: LG: -0.1, LR: -1.4, RC: – 4). My BR scores are 179-180.

I realize that these scores are inflated, and they do not reflect my real performance.

So, I wanted to get advice from those of you who have studied only with retakes. How did you gauge your improvement from PT to PT? What were your study methods? How did you address your weaknesses exposed in your retakes? What outside materials/unusual exercises did you use in your studies?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Hi, I wanted to get some advice from people with a bit more experience in LG on how to balance speed and accuracy on the actual test. I have been foolproofing the games from PTs1-35, and my confidence and speed have increased. However, I also feel the need to go at a rapid pace through each game in order to meet the target time were a very difficult game to arise.

In practice, this is what messes me up the most. I fly through the rules and "passage" and often find myself either misreading questions or missing them entirely. I tend to do this both on PTs and, to a lesser extent, on games that I foolproof. If I do not misread rules, I am confident that I can do well on almost any game. I think nerves also play into my inclination to go at warp speed. Does anyone have any advice for methods I can practice to bring a more balanced approach to my LG sections?

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Anyone else having problems with the digital beta tester? Im not sure what to do. I took PT 55 and at the end of the LG section questions I knew I bubbled in were no longer bubbled. For example, it showed i didnt fill in any questions for all of game 1, which I know i did. Should I delete Preptest Data and rebubble everything? It seems like a hassle, maybe I should just blind review it as normal and only consider that score?

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Working a LG in the LSAT trainer (p.210), and I need further explanation on why this is the correct answer choice. Specifically Q2. I am including Q1 for context.

Seven coffees - F, G, and H from Brazil, and L, M, N, and O from Colombia - will be showcased on three different displays. One coffee will be displayed by itself on stand 1, and the other six coffees will be evenly split between stands 2 and 3. The following conditions apply:

F is displayed on stand 2

One of the displays will have exactly two Brazilian coffees

L and M must be displayed together

F and H cannot be displayed together

Q1) If O is displayed on stand 2, which of the following must be true?

(A) H goes on stand 1

(B) H goes on stand 3

(C) G goes on stand 2

(D) N goes on stand 1

(E) N goes on stand 2

ANSWER: (C) G goes on stand 2

If Oc is on stand 2, the only place Lc/Mc can go is stand 3. This forces Gb on stand 2, since there needs to be a bb combo, and Hb can't go with Fb.

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

Q2) Which of the following must be false?

(A) A Brazilian coffee is displayed by itself

(B) A Colombian coffee is displayed by itself

(C) One stand displays only Colombian coffees

(D) Two stands each display both Brazilian and Colombian coffees

(E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

ANSWER: (E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

For (E) to be true, each stand must have at least one Brazilian coffee. However, this cannot be true. Therefore, (E) must be false.

My thinking... If I take the diagram I used to answer Q1, which is

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

and I assume Hb is on stand 1 and Nc is on stand 3, I get

1: Hb

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Nc

which follows all the rules, and has a stand that displays only Colombian coffees. So how is the answer choice, "No stands displays only Colombian coffees" - MUST BE FALSE?

I appreciate the help. I promise I am joining 7Sage after I finish the LSAT trainer. Thank you!!

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Hi All,

I was just waitlisted for the DC area October 2019 LSAT. Does anyone have any experience with waitlists and when they are likely to inform you of your test center location? The standard email says that they will notify you at least a week before but I've read elsewhere that they can put you anywhere in a 100 mile radius. For someone who is already prone to anxiety, this makes me slightly nervous. I'm sure all areas and dates are different but does anyone know typically how soon after being on the waitlist you are to be notified?

Thank you!!

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Hi All-- I was wondering if November was too late to apply? I already took the LSAT once before, I sprained my ankle in the prep center but still took the test so I did terribly. Would November (which means scores/application in December) mean I'm getting into more competitive territory application wise? I've heard the later you apply the tougher your chances are. I've been out of undergrad/grad school for 5 years now and don't want to put law school off any longer so will be applying this year and just want to know if my chances would be slightly lower if I applied with November scores.

Thanks!

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Hello!

For schools that do not specify that they would like 1.0 margins all around, and just specify a font size and page limit for the PS and résumé, are .8 or .9 margins generally ok?

Thanks!

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Hello 7Sage! Like many of you, my LSAT story has been long and a bit complicated. I won't bore you with the details of my LSAT history, but here are some of the key points to give you context on where I am now:

  • I graduated college in 2016, started working full time as a paralegal in a big law firm immediately after, and began my LSAT studies in November 2016. I received a 139 on my diagnostic and bought the 7Sage Ultimate+ package. While working long hours and commuting (driving) several hours a day, I was only able to work my way through the SA & PSA section of the CC by March 2017. I tried restarting the curriculum and my studies twice since then, but with no real success.

  • I will be leaving my job this fall to prioritize the LSAT and plan to study full time for a month or two and then transition to a part time job for the remainder of my studying.

    • I plan to re-start my LSAT studies again starting October 1. When going through the CC, I plan to do half (or more if needed) of the problem sets for each problem type, and leave the other half of the problem sets for drilling. Assuming that my diagnostic is still at a 139 and my goal is 168+, is taking the test in April 2020 with a likely retake in June/July 2020 reasonable? The study timeline/breakdown would be to finish the CC by end of December, foolproof for January, and PT for February/March/April. I'm familiar with the post-CC strategy webinar, and intend on following that structure when I'm at the PT phase. I believe I've read that PTing is ideally a 6 month process, so if you think a June/July first attempt with a likely retake in September is more reasonable, please let me know! Some things motivating me to first take the LSAT in April 2020 are (1) with the renewed limit on LSAT takes, the April test would count in a different testing cycle and wouldn't count toward my 3 takes in a single testing year (so theoretically I could retake three additional times after that in the fall), and (2) I would like to ideally be done with the LSAT before returning to my job mid/end next summer.

    Thank you in advance for the advice! I'm really excited to finally do this properly and to work with you all over the next several months! :)

    *edited for length

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    Hi! I have a "general" PS that I'm using for most schools/modifying based on word count restrictions, but I'm wondering if schools want every PS to mention why I want to attend their school? that is to say, should each PS still be modified to explain why I want to go to X school, even those that don't explicitly mention it or those that also have a supplementary essay about Why X? Any input much appreciated!

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    I'm curious how do you guys deal with the fatigue in the later sections. I just finished PT 48 and I had -0 for the 1st LR section (section 1) and -8 for the 2nd LR section (section 4). I feel extremely tried after/ or even during section 3 and don't have the mental sharpness to focus on the logical structures for the 2nd LR section.

    How do you guys deal with test day fatigue? What do you guys usually eat during the 15 minute break, anyone having experience taking caffeine pills? Or should I do more PTs and learn to tough it out?

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    Hey guys, TIA for the responses.

    Obviously the LSP should be used just as a guideline, and not as a definitive "you're in/not in." But as far as reach/target/safety school lists go, what are some good ranges to use?

    For example, should it be something like this:

    Reach: 30-50%

    Target: 50-70%

    Safety: 70%+

    And what's a good cut off for "don't even consider it?" Say I'm reasonable interested in School A, and LSP predicts I have a 30% chance of getting in. Is it worth applying?

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    Hi,

    I am enjoying learning lsat through LSAT Trainer. I was not sure if I can post a question regarding the contents in that book. But I was too confused, so I came here for a help.

    I am confused because I do not see the difference btw the two statements.

    1.Mistakes necessary characteristics for sufficient ones, and falls to consider other factors necessary or potentially important to the conclusion.

    2. Takes for granted that having characteristics important for an outcome is enough to reasonably expect that outcome.

    Can I just all say that it confuses a necessary condition for a sufficient one? Its hard for me to see the subtle differences that the author made.

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    Hi, I am bombing PTs and still off from my BR goals. So far I've been studying ~10-20 hours a week since February and my PT average is about 156 and my BR is 165-167; I've been getting almost the exact same scores on PT and BR from May - August over 4-5 PTs and BRs. My goal is 170+ but I'm not seeing almost any improvement in my scores.

    I went through Mike Kim's book which is good for getting the basics down but wasn't helpful in mastering LSAT logic. I started Lawschooli.com's LR program because I wanted to sharpen up my LR since it was so lacking. If I have time I plan on doing the 7Sage basic course after the Lawschooli LR program. Should I ditch the Lawschooli program for the 7Sage basic course (especially if I want to take the LSAT in November)?

    My BR process is extremely slow but thorough. I have a template for LR and RC as follows.

    My LR template is:

    Q type and #:

    Support:

    Conclusion:

    Argument:

    Conditional statements:

    Flaw:

    What I predict the AC to be:

    A. Then a thorough analysis of my understanding of each answer choice.

    B.

    C.

    D.

    E.

    For RC I use the 7Sage memory method (which is awesome) and my template is:

    Q# and type.

    What do I understand the A to be from the passage?

    A. Then thorough analysis of each answer choice.

    B.

    C.

    D.

    E.

    I feel like I am learning a lot by going through BR so thoroughly. Regardless, on my last BR I got -8 and -6 on LR and I just about threw the book when I saw how many I missed (lol). I did even worse in PT with -10 and -9. I am feeling frustrated that something isn't working; does anyone with more experience have any advice? Should I stick with the super slow and thorough template-based BR process I'm using now? Can I raise my score significantly relying on various forums or do you all suggest a tutor?

    Does anyone have any help? Anything is appreciated. Thank you :)

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    Hi all,

    After high school, I spent two years at one college before transferring to a different institution, where I started more or less started over as a freshman (I was able to transfer credits from one course). My GPA before the transfer was pretty abysmal (2.7). I graduated with a 3.5 and went on to get a grad degree from an Ivy, finishing that with a 3.6. This was almost 10 years ago.

    My question is, should I even list the first school on my application? The downside risk to sharing is that the low GPA will spook admissions, but there could be some upside in the narrative of personal and academic growth. However, I imagine there is also the risk of outright rejection for withholding that information.

    Has anyone faced a similar situation, or have any advice? Thank you in advance!

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