I know that the Nov LSAT is on the 17th. A lot of schools have their ED deadline as the 15th though, despite the website saying that students taking November LSAT are still eligible to apply ED. In this situation, do you have to call the school and tell them what's going on and they will make a note in your file?

How strange is it to go back to a life free from the confines of law passages and grouping games.

This morning when I got up, I made myself a cup of coffee and immediately went to sit down at my desk with a HB2 pencil in hand before eerily realizing I had no material to prep.

What is the meaning of life now?

How does one go from obsessively drilling parallel flaw questions one day to just binge-watching 4 hours of parks and rec the next?

Are drake and kanye really cool again? Has ye really forgotten about those kim remarks?

At the gym today, a fellow broski used the phrase ‘but not otherwise’ in conversation with me. I immediately went into a trance and spent the next 30 seconds trying to figure out which of the 4 available benches he could go on.

The mixture of concern, confusion and disgust on his face perfectly mirrored my outlook towards the now vacant LSAT-shaped hole in my heart.

Is soy really better than corn?

...Will I ever love?

My thoughts go out to my fellow 7Sagers suffering from post-LSAT blues.

I always see posts about timing for RC for people who have completed the CC and have decent fundamentals, but are having trouble going faster. Although I consistently still get -2 on RC, here's what I went through, to achieve a decent speed.

In the past, RC was always my weakest section, and in both actual tests, I ran out of time. Here's more details on the 2 things I did:

For example, on the September LSAT, there was a law passage that I honestly had no idea what it was talking about, but I knew what the author was trying to say, and how he or she felt about it. And from experience, I knew that even if I read it again, I simply wouldn't get it, because I lacked the technical knowledge.

If you're like me, and have relatively little background with law, this is a 6th sense you have to develop to do well in RC, and can only develop through doing countless difficult RC passages and analyzing each one slowly. I timed every passage, analyzed how big a difference it made in my understanding when I read it twice, on what type of topics were the differences the largest (which is how I knew rereading law passages were ineffectual for me), and timed every question, did them twice, and on the second time, analyzed any questions that took me over a minute and why it took me over a minute, and if possible, compared it to JY's live recordings for the same passage (I did this on top of the standard BR process, of course. In case you're wonder about the specific order: I do the BR after my second attempt, check for wrong answers after that, and then compare with JY's live recording last). This leads me to my second thing.

After recording, you then compare it to JY's recordings to see what you 'should' have done. This shaved off 4-5 minutes of my time, because I found out I refer back to passage way too often when I had no reason to (well, there's always reasons to refer back, but the cost/benefit is too high). This led me to develop my personal golden rule, which helped me shave off the 5 minutes: only refer back to the passage if the question refers to a specific section, or if you eliminated the answers down to 2 choices and remember where one of the two choices is in the passage; otherwise, just circle it and skip. Statistically, unless you can easily finish the section with 10 minutes left over, if you refer to the passage outside of those two specific conditions, then you are wasting more time than you have. Just imagine referring back to multiple parts of the passage and trying to compare them. We do this all the time in BR, but it takes at least a minute or two, time that you cannot afford on the real test. Side note: if you find yourself reading the answer choices more than twice, skip, because for RC, the stimulus is so large and confusing that it's much more unlikely for you to have an "Ahah!" moment when you re-read a question and it's answers, compared to LR.

Hope this helps someone.

I made a schedule for post CC and am planning on doing 2 PTs per week. What do you guys think would be the best?

I'm currently finishing a PhD program and applying to law school for next fall. Since most of the people I interact with are professors or aspiring professors, it can easily get at least two academic letters of recommendation. However, I'm not sure if I should stop there. So, my question is whether it would be better to have three academic letters of recommendation only or two academic letters plus one non-academic. It seems like most people go with the latter option, but that might be because undergrads tend not to have as strong of a relationship with the faculty as graduate students usually do. What's more, because I haven't had a non-academic job for over eight years, it's not exactly easy for me to get a solid non-academic reference. So, what do you guys think? Would three academic letters be better than two plus?

I am an ultimate+ user, but I cannot figure out how to print out PT 1-35. I want to practice writing on RC and LG. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

Hi! I am back and forth between purchasing a package with 7 sage, just wondering what some opinions are on here? I love the youtube logic game videos, but I just wanted some feedback. Any thing will help!!! Thanks!

Hello,

I experienced some setbacks when trying to get an LSAT score in for the 2019 cycle. I think Im just going to shoot for the 2020 cycle, BUT I just want to know what is the absolute last test I could take to get into Fall 2019? Is it November or January?

My stats:

144, 147, waiting on September results, I’m predicting anywhere between 149-151.

It sucks because going into the Sept exam i was averaging 153 and felt confident, but i ran out of time and didn’t bubble 3-4 questions in one section, and guessed on one whole game.

Would it look good to retake in November? Should I maybe cancel this September exam and retake November?

I’m leaning towards not canceling since I’m sure I did better that a 147.

Any help would be appreciated :)

Proctors: Very good about giving the five minute warning and reading instructions. No complaints.

Facilities: SUPER NICE. I've heard that people in the past who have taken it here had a crappy experience with desks, etc. but this test was administered in the business school instead of the law school so it was all brand new. I'm not sure if this is a permanent change or not.

What kind of room: Sort of a small/medium auditorium style classroom.

How many in the room: 20-30

Desks: Long table desks with three people at a desk/table with one empty seat between each tester.

Left-handed accommodation: See above.

Noise levels: One proctor got up to use the restroom during the test, so we heard the door open and shut, but nothing other than that one incident.

Parking: Free parking in a garage adjacent to the testing building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Exam started right around 9

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 8th 2018

I wanted to share my story about transferring even though almost everyone will advise you against my approach and recommend instead that you take another year off to improve your LSAT score. I agree that you shouldn't go to a law school you wouldn't be comfortable graduating from, but also wanted to share my story on how I went to my 1L law school with the intention of transferring, and ended up successfully transferring. There isn't a lot of information about transferring out there, and I would have appreciated reading more transfer stories myself when I first started looking into it.

I decided pretty late in the 2016/2017 application cycle to apply to law school. I purchased 7Sage after a lot of research on prep courses and completed the ultimate course. I loved the course and found that it improved my score quite a bit, but it took longer than I was expecting and I soon realized by December that the February 2017 LSAT was my last shot to go to law school in fall 2017. By the time I completed the course, I only had time to do about 3-4 practice tests. I think around that time I was scoring close to 160, but with a 3.5 GPA (from a top 25 undergrad), I knew that I wouldn't have a shot at a T-14 school. The advice I got from everyone I talked to, and the 7Sage forum, was that I should delay a year and work and improve my LSAT score to get into a better law school. However, I kept thinking about how starting law school fall 2017 would already put me at 3 years between undergrad and law school (I did a master's in between). At that point I realized that I didn't want to take an extra year working in a random job after I had already made the decision to practice law. Despite everyone's advice, I decided that I would apply and go to law school with whatever I scored on the February test. I scored only a 156 and applied the day I got my score back with the help of the 7Sage admissions program. After hearing back from schools, my best option weighing scholarships with rankings was a school ranked 45-55 that gave me a half ride. Because I wasn't happy with my law school choice and the city it was located in, I started looking into transferring that summer and decided that my ultimate goal that year would be to transfer.

My 1L year started before everyone else's. I bought E&E's and started prepping about 4 weeks before school started. I read Getting to Maybe, completed LEEWS, skimmed Planet Law School and the Delaney books, and then worked through parts of the E&E's. Looking back on it I wouldn't recommend doing the E&E's before, because it's really so dependent on your professor, but I do recommend reading the other books before starting 1L. I think going into 1L thinking about transferring the whole first semester really motivated me. There were times when I wanted to go out and not study, but each time I kept reminding myself how much1L grades matter, how I really didn't like the city where my law school was located, and how badly I wanted to transfer. I think this worked for me at least as added motivation. After I got back my first semester grades, I was pleasantly surprised and realized that my plans to transfer were feasible. I asked 1L professors for recommendations in February and submitted apps to some schools ranked 14-25 by March. The benefit of applying early was that I heard back from all of those beginning of May, which took the pressure off a little bit for exams second semester. I committed to one of those schools and submitted a deposit, but once I got my second semester grades back and realized I did just as well as I had first semester, I decided to apply to my dream law school. I was so shocked and happy when I got in in July, and it felt like all my hard work 1L year had finally paid off. I am now at a T-6 law school---a school that I would have probably never had a shot at even if I had spent another year prepping for the LSAT by virtue of my undergrad GPA. My experience so far is that there hasn't been a transfer stigma at my new school, and I had a pretty good outcome at OCI and will be working at a V10 firm next summer, so there doesn't really appear to be transfer stigma among employers at my new school.

Although I didn't get in the conventional way, I couldn't be happier with my decision to do it the way I did. Obviously, this approach will not work for most due to the curve, but I just wanted to provide an example of how it can work for some people, and how your LSAT score doesn't always have to be the final determinant for which law school you graduate from.

(Final note: I have a friend that transferred to a T-3 this year and was able to get a substantial grant from the school, so although financial considerations may be another reason to not transfer and improve your LSAT score instead, it might still be possible to receive need-based grants as a transfer).

Hey guys, for those who have taken the LSAT at a major/big university, is this generally better or worse than taking it, say at a community college/smaller university?

When I take paper based exams, I like having large desk space to work on. I imagine for tests at a big university, I'm sure there are a lot of people sitting for the exam, so I would presume they make you take the test at a big lecture hall? But lecture halls usually have those tiny, fold-out desks, which would really suck to take the LSAT on.

Also, I just found out the university where I was planning to take the exam at, will have a home football game that Saturday in November (it's a Pac-12 big school). Do you guys think the noise factor will be something I should consider if deciding to choose this site (even though the test is in the morning, I'm sure the campus will be abuzz with students/parents/people, etc)?

Hi! I'm a older aspiring law student - looking to switch careers after 22 years. I don't have a date yet for a LSAT - maybe June 2019. Since I'm just starting to get my feet wet is okay to start with the basic package? Thanks for your assistance.

Does anyone share this opinion? The hosts are far too dogmatic regarding their advice...it's very strange to me for reasonable people to be so dogmatic - about reading the stem first, about whether "principle" questions exist, about whether "most strongly supported questions" are the same as "Must be true" questions, about timing strategies, and more. I can understand having preferences for how to approach the test, but it often seems like they take unreasonably strong stances on issues more as a pedagogic technique to get people to approach the test in the way that they think best, whereas if they were being purely reasonable they would recognize the potential benefits of alternate approaches even if ultimately they advise against them. It's also very strange that they basically write off 7sage PURELY because they recommend stem first on LR - they've gone as far as to say they can't trust any curriculum that gives that advice. That line of reasoning seems so clearly flawed that they must know it's unreasonable.

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/entering-class-profile

Not me... but I would love to meet this person: both because they must be exceptional to have a 154 and get into Yale, AND because they had the self-confidence to have a 154 and apply to Yale.

Anyone know other examples of super low LSAT scorers hitting above their weight in terms of admission?

I really like the Ted-Ed puzzles that are posted every now and then. This week's was very reminiscent of a LSAT question, so I thought I would share it.

I read from some posts here ibuprofen/Advil/Tylenol is okay to bring on test day. This may be a dumb question, but are caffeine pills in a small medicine bottle allowed or not?

Hey guys, i have a pretty simple question. How would you read the contrapositive of this chain:

A Some B---> C?

Thanks! :)

So I finished PT 67 knowing I did poorly on the LG section (ended up guessing on the last game). I only had about 6 mins to finish the game and completely froze. I went to BR the game the next day and once again it looked like it was written in a different language. But this morning (without having watched the explanation) I was able to easily make my way through each question. Until now, I’ve never struggled with a game and then just magically had it click without foolproofing.

I would like to first note that I am not looking to cancel my score nor am I looking to getting anyone in trouble. I simply am looking to get proof for prospective law schools of the conditions I had to go through in taking this particular LSAT.

Before the exam started (so during the "bubble in your name" period) I raised my hand to ask if I could go to the restroom. I was not aware nor told of being unable to leave the room for the restroom during this time, but to be safe I asked a proctor of this. The proctor said that I can, led me out of the room and pointed me to the restroom. And so I went, obviously thinking that it must have been okay to do this.

But from returning to the test room (still during the "bubble in your name" period) a different proctor stopped me, told me that I wasn't allowed to leave the room during this time, and said that he would report me to LSAC. Expectedly I was shocked and confused, since another proctor had told me a minute ago otherwise.

Still in a confused, shocked, and frankly frightened state (as I had no idea what a report would do to my future) I had to take the first three sections of the LSAT. While it is hard to blame or prove that all of my anxiety came from this event, I most certainly couldn't concentrate as much as I wanted with thoughts about possibly not being able to be a lawyer ever lingered and hindered my logical reasoning.

During the break I went up to the proctor who said that he would report me. He told me that, as another proctor had told me that I could leave the room, that he would NOT report me. While this was good news, I'm sure you can understand my frustration from not doing as well on the first three sections as I hoped to do over what ultimately ended up to be nothing.

Once again, I am not looking to blame anyone or to have my LSAT score cancelled (or held for that matter). I would, however, like to have my struggle and condition in taking this LSAT realized and would like some sort of proof (a letter?) of this so that law schools can realize that this LSAT score may not be reflective of my abilities.

...is what I'm thinking of sending. Thoughts? (I'm sort of worried that maybe the LSAC would consider me leaving the room, despite a proctor clearly letting me do this, a reason to have my score cancelled)

What does a -10 curve look like? How many can you miss for a 160?

Very upset with time management. Felt as if RC was easy but had to guess on last 4 as well as last 4 of Games. Just want a 160

Saturday still feels like a nightmare to me. It was like one of those dreams where you’re being chased but you have 200 pound legs and can’t runaway.

My first attempt at the LSAT, in February didn’t fare well... but that was due to lack of proper preparation. This time, I was very well prepared... having scored in the lower 160’s my last 5 PT’s (quite the improvement from my embarrassing 149 in Feb). I was fully expecting a 160, or at worst a 158-159.

I’m afraid of what my score will be for this one. I’ve gone through the math in my head and feel like best case scenario I got 65 questions right, worst case could be well below 60.

My question is how bad will a cancellation look next to my bad score on record in comparison to a score that’s not that much better? I’m leaning pretty hard towards cancelling just because I know there’s no way I came anywhere near what I’ve been doing on PT’s the last two months.

So I saw a post about how another 7sage student got raked over the coals, for having two watches, by the proctors, when there are no rules not allowing it, and even after calling LSAC to confirm that it was allowed. I expressed my sympathies and thought about my own experience, and thought that my experience is probably something I should tell everyone.

I almost had a similar experience with my juicebox, but luckily for me, and unluckily for the other guy, the guy sitting in front of my had the exact same juicebox and took the blow for me and was called out in section 3 by a proctor. We all knew it was perfectly within the rules to have a juicebox, and I've had the same juicebox twice in previous LSATs already. The rule for having a transparent bottle only applies to water bottles. The proctor then came back a few minutes later to give it back to him, without any remorse. Another thing was that I got a warning for looking around while copying the pledge at the very start of the test.

I realized this September LSAT, a lot of proctors were quite on edge. I talked to them afterwards, and found out a lot of proctors secretly got audited this past summer (they didn't tell me how or give me any details), and received a lot of punishments for being too lenient on test takers, so they're essentially overcompensating, and conservatively punishing anything that may even have a semblance of breaking the rules.

Thought this might be helpful for future test takers to expect the worst. I wish you all the best.

Hi everyone! I was scheduled to take the September LSAT but decided I truly wasn’t ready for it and decided to do something I have been contemplating for a while taking a gap year, it wasn’t in the plans and I hate to deviate but realized to get the best out of law school career as well as being a lawyer this isn’t something I can rush. In any case does anyone who has taken a gap year or pushed back their LSAT date have any advice on how to manage my time and study and since I’m still in school, my last year, how I should handle my load as well as applying? Also, should I start over to be sure I fully grasp the concepts if I feel I missed out or continue where I left off and see after some practice exams where I need to focus? Upgrading plan, was that something anyone did? I currently have the premium and I am thinking of upgrading to Ultimate. Any help would be greatly appreciated, because while I realize a year will help it will most likely go quickly and I need to gain as much as I can out of this time or it will be a waste. Sorry for the many questions but I want to start off on the right track.

Is it acceptable to request a fee waiver with no LSAT score? I am thinking of having all of my applications ready to submit when scores are released and would appreciate having this out the way? Thoughts?