I just stopped at the end of section 2-- logic games-- in a prep test, after leaving one game almost completely unfinished. I think I'm ready to give up on the LSAT.

My background: went to a good school, didn't have direction, graduated with a 3.0, and I've been working in a job that I hate for three years. Public service is my passion, and I really want to go to law school (a good law school, of course). I need to crack into the 170's to be a viable candidate. I started studying in May with the PowerScore books, then I discovered 7Sage a few months ago. I've been studying pretty seriously and intensively for the last 2-3 months. My score has improved from a 155 to a 162, but it has stagnated at that 162 for three tests. I've been doing some refining around the edges, really utilizing that LSAT analytics feature-- nailing 4s and 5s.

I feel like I'm not "getting" it-- like I don't have that edge, or intelligence, or whatever it is that allows oneself to crack 170. My throat is hoarse from screaming after ending another logic games section with a game untouched. I thought, what's the point anymore? I've been working at it for so long and hard and I still can't nail these games under timed circumstances, especially when there's only one 1 in the set. Sure, I can go back afterward under non-timed conditions and eventually get it. And sure, I can do it ten times after watching JY brilliantly explain it, but that doesn't change how I perform when I try to apply what I've learned.

I've read some stories from people who have scored really well (175+), and they all share a common feature: they studied for a couple of months (usually around 2-4, sometimes 6), and ended up scoring in the range near what they scored on the test on their last few practice tests. I know everyone is different, but after 6 months of studying I feel like I should be going 150->160->162->165->166->...->171 based on how hard I'm working on this.

I try my hardest to stay positive, think intuitively, be a good listener, and apply what I learned from the lessons to the new material presented to me in practice tests, but I feel like it's getting me nowhere. Am I not smart enough? Have I just hit my mental capacity? I'm no genius by any means, but I feel like I'm pretty damn intelligent.

At this point, I don't see a path forward. And it really sucks. Anyone else relate? How did you pull yourself out of it? How did you start nailing practice tests? My test is Feb 10, and I'm really considering throwing in the towel now.

I have studied with power score in the past and have taken blueprint as well. Powerscore LR says to read stimulus first and then the question but blueprint is the other way around ( read question then stimulus). What is your take/suggestion?

Hi 7sagers!

I'm based in Manhattan, and I'm interested in starting a study group that meets in person for the upcoming June 2018 LSAT. I'm currently registered to take the February 2018 LSAT, but I may postpone.

I'm using materials mostly from 7Sage as well as the LSAT Trainer and Manhattan LSAT Prep.

Please contact me if you are interested, and I'll reply as soon as I can.

Hi there,

This would be a miscellaneous question! So I am applying right now and in the first week of January but I will be moving out of my place to another place till mid February or so, and then I intend on moving once again, to yet another address, this time in a completely different state. What should I do in terms of putting my "current address" in the applications or in my resume and the like? Should I go ahead and just put my current address or should I put the future one? The final address would be able to receive any and all letters if it need be. I am thinking it might not matter at all since everything is done electronically these days and I feel compelled to just put my future address but I don't want to "lie" on my application

any thoughts are welcomed

Thanks!

Hi all, although this is my first time posting, I've already been studying for the LSAT starting from September. As such, I'm decently familiar with the general structure of logic games.

My question to everyone is, do you think it's counterproductive to listen to podcasts while re-doing logic games from previous PTs that I've already done? It's in my nature to try to do multiple things at one time, but I'm wondering if I'm hurting my retention of the game inferences by listening to a podcast in the background. Obviously I do not do podcasts while practicing the other LSAT sections, however logic games are just more tedious because I'll re-do each one at least 5 times if not more during foolproofing, and I really like the extra stimulation of sound in the background. Am I the only one who does this?

Hey everyone I need some help/advice. While studying for the LSAT it seemed to me that there was a method to the madness certain steps/processes to follow in order to effectively reach the end goal. However, when it comes to the personal statement I am completely lost, I write something and end up deleting it because I don't like what I wrote or there are times where I sit down and just don't know what to even write about. Is anyone else going through this?

Hello everyone,

February will be my third and final exam, and making the final push now. Was wondering what your study week looks like? Do you guys try to do a bit of LR, RC, LG in a day, or focus on one section per day?

I work full time, and usually study for an hour before work, and 2-3 hours afterwards.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.. best of luck to everyone!

I'm pretty sure I didn't do very well on the Dec LSAT. My average PT score dropped 10 points a month before the test (I was devastated) and it didn't vastly improve before test day. I'm wondering what my chances of getting in my back-up school are if my GPA is over their 75% and LSAT is under their 25% (by two points, which is where I'm thinking I'll land after scores come out). My resume includes a lot of volunteer work, leadership awards and positions, and work experience. I worked through undergrad and am currently working full time as the HR coordinator of a large physicians practice (I'm interested in health care law).

Any thoughts or advice? Is it even worth applying if my LSAT ends up under the school's 25%?

What's up with schools that say they take Feb. lsats but have deadlines way earlier than the projected lsat score date? For example Yale says they take it but their deadline is 2/28

So I like many others am currently waiting for LSAC to publish last Saturday's results. Is it to much to ask that they post results within 4 days of taking the exam? So I have switched gears to seriously getting out applications. I have started looking at consultants to help fine tune my personal statement and my resume. I am worried that with my gpa already locked in and my LSAT score up in the air, I could be on the line for my dream school. My GPA is dead in between the 25% and 50%. I just need help making sure I sound good on paper in case my LSAT score comes back in the 25% as well. Any advice? I don't have thousands to spend on making myself look bright and shiny, and I have a good resume and what I think is a good personal statement. I just would feel 50% better about all of this if I knew my personal statement wasn't a pile of poo. Anyone have any recommendations? I feel like I am pretty open to all of the options, but also pretty frugal as well, as we all know that law school wont be cheap by any means. TIA!!

Anyone sent any petition out to law schools for taking the feb lsat? if so how did it go?

Hi,

With the recent announcement from Northwestern that they accelerated the GRE acceptance to this cycleI'm considering taking it within the next 2 weeks. My question is do you think it can compensate for a low LSAT? I have studied for the GMAT 2 years ago and scored well. And I heared that it's easier than both LSAT & GMAT. I'm an international student ( English is my second language) & majored in Finance, so the math section might give me some advantage.

Is there a specific threshold which would be considered a strong score? Any advice would help.

This also could mean more time to register for lsat... but why? Is the pool of applicants shrinking? Or maybe LSAC fears the GRE?

Hi everyone! I just wanted to share a bit of my experience and hopefully encourage someone. After 3 months of prepping I was PTing around 150, 153 or so. My biggest issue was that I would only get half way through each section before time was called, thus only getting half the potential points each time (and that would depend on what I answered correctly). I was using a number of study materials, one of which was a book which (though I didn't realize it at the time) was poisonous to my mentality. It said things which led me to believe that the scores I was getting at the time in the low 150's were the highest I would ever be capable of regardless of study efforts. It said that a person was unlikely to ever improve more than 10 points or so from their first PT score, and even those 10 points would be brutal to earn. I thought its advice to "accept" your capabilities and your limits was a "wake up call" of sorts, that I would never get the score I had hoped for when I first began studying (a 170+).

As I approached the September 2017 test, I felt unprepared, and I knew I hadn't done my best. My sister helped me to see that I am capable of anything I want. With hard work, I am capable of a 180. I withdrew the night before the exam. I stopped using that particular book, enrolled in 7Sage, and started working independently on fixing my timing issue so that I could get to more questions. My 7Sage diagnostic PT soon after beginning the course was a 162. I continued to work through the course and studied harder than before, and smarter than before, learning more about timing strategies and what approaches to take to specific questions. This made me faster, and improved my ability to find correct answer choices and pass over trap answer choices, sometimes with a laugh to myself.

Over time, I ended up seeing scores of 165, 168, 170, and 171. Once I broke through the 170 mark, I did not always stay there, and would sometimes see a 164 or 168 again. However at that point, it would be the result of fatigue during the test, moving too slowly on a harder section, silly mistakes like thinking the question had asked what do Sally and Jim "agree" on rather than "disagree" on, or being intimidated by an innovative (but doable) LG, and that score change would be the difference of about 2 to 5 individual LSAT questions. I knew what I was doing, I just had to practice and fine tune, continue foolproofing games and blind reviewing my exams.

I sat for the LSAT a few days ago (December exam) and I, of course, do not know what my score is. However, I said all this to say that if you are getting scores on your PT's that you are not happy with, and you feel that you are capable of more, than I believe you are. It takes a lot of hard work, and it takes the will to dedicate yourself to this even in spite of a particularly discouraging PT score or a question type that seems to get you every time. But by understanding the correct approach, meticulously analyzing every mistake, and thoroughly confirming correct, successful lines of thinking, you, dear reader, are just as capable of the score you want as anyone else.

I know that there may be some debate in the world about what undergraduate courses might help someone be better equipped for this test, or how a super genius might study one month or less and ace the test. I'm not going to fully go into that, but what I will say is this: it may not be easy for you (it was not easy for me at all), but you are more than capable of the hard work it takes to achieve what you want.

I was very nervous to share my story but, if I have encouraged someone, it's worth it. A big thank you to 7Sage for the wonderful curriculum and all the lovely motivational quotes! Fellow testers, I wish you the best!

TL; DR: After my months of improved preparation following the September LSAT date, on my absolute worst day I PT'd 14 points above my first LSAT score of 150, on my best day I PT'd 21 points above my first LSAT score. Be encouraged! "You are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." -Winnie the Pooh

On 7sage. I am retaking for february. can it be completed by the exam? otherwise what do you recommend? thanks!

Here's a webinar on law school debit and related topics. It's worthy for watching before you commit to law school application.

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If I don't decide to cancel, and I submit some applications now, but then later find out that God forbid perhaps my December score is lower than my previous one, would that affect how the admissions see my application?

I'm curious if anyone has researched schools with Technology programs. The program at USC is what I'm most interested in. It's a mix of Media, Entertainment and Technology with a focus on Intellectual Property.

I'd really like to focus on Technology though. Also, can anyone comment on schools with good networks of graduates in Silicon Valley or Silicon Beach? Thanks.

Does anyone do the Blind Review Method without getting a second copy of the test? Or is the method more effective with a second copy?

So I already have two LOR's from professors I've worked closely with during my time as an undergraduate. However, after graduating, I worked for a NYS Assemblywoman for about a year and a half who also wrote me a LOR. Was wondering what people's opinions are in terms of providing this third LOR of just leaving it at my two.

I know that some schools only require two. I've also seen some that allow up to four...

I'm about to start writing my personal statement, cv, and diversity statement. I would like a professional to have a look at it. Someone who knows a lil bit about law school stuff. Unfortunately, I don't have hundreds to blow, and going to a school English tutor seems pointless.

I live in Columbus oh. Does anyone know about law school admission peeps in my area who could lend a hand?

Like many, I hate RC. It's my worst section. I was wondering if any of you have any advice on how to isolate and focus on RC studying between weekly preptests? For LG, I fool proof past games and for LR, I just review old questions and target problem areas/question types. These two methods seem to be working well for me as I've made considerable progress.

However, besides using the memory method, I have no idea how to begin isolating RC practice. Feigning interest in the passage topic somewhat helps a little bit but it's not enough for me to really speed up my reading and increasing my accuracy when it comes to tackling the questions. Currently I'm more so worried about accuracy and confidence during RC practice rather than speed.

Any pieces of advice are welcome! Xx

Hi Fellow 7-Sagers,

I'm a non-trad student who took a very relaxed view on my first couple of years of college . Little did I know, I would be studying for the LSAT almost 20 years later. But, I'm sure there are some of you didn't really do well your first year or so of college. So, for fun I'm starting a thread of alternate explanations of why some grades, as I like to say, are "uncomfortable." Here's a few to start. Please add more.

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Proctors: Been the same lead proctor for all 3 attempts I have taken it here. He was in charge of the Sept 2016, Sept 2017 and Dec 2017 test. He is a really cool and fairly relaxed if not forgetful guy. He forgets little details, like telling us it was okay to open our books to fill out our names on the answer sheet. They will accommodate everyone the best they can for medical purposes (eye drops etc) They generally do not talk at all during the test.

Facilities: It's a Marriott, typical hotel. The test area is in the basement area of the hotel. The bathrooms are close, but small. Male's had no issue getting in and out of the bathroom. There was generally a large line during the break for the female bathroom.

What kind of room: Huge ballroom with lots of space. They have an analog clock hung dead center, however people in the back might not be able to see it.

How many in the room: About 75 people.

Desks: Large desks, with plenty of space, one person per desk. There were about 75 people taking the test and there were still 10 extra desks that were not used. The surface of the desks can be rough but they put blank white cardboard plates down that you can write on!

Left-handed accommodation: No need.

Noise levels: Quiet, other than an occasional sneeze and the pencils of frantic LSAT takers mapping out a LG.

Parking: Can be a hassle. They have valet parking, but who wants to pay? Walnut Creek BART station is close though and free to park at during the weekend. I parked here and walked to the test all three times I took it.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: From check-in at 8:30 it takes about an hour to start the actual test. Once everyone is in the room and the instructions given you will start. Don't expect to start until around 9:30am (but be there early!)

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments: Great place in the Bay Area to take the test. I've taken 3 here and have never had an issue!

Would you take the test here again? I did. 3 times.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Sept 2016, Sept 2017, Dec 2017

I graduated 2 years ago and need a rec letter from my law psychology professor. I got an A and this class strengthened my decision to study law. However, I never went to office hours, or talked to the professor. Also, it's been 2 years. I need to send him an email, but I'm starring at a blank page. Please help? What should I say?