I didn't want to assume that Acme had switched out the switches before the wreck as it was never said explicitly. I therefore left room for the possibility that it could have been done after the wreck which would mean they didn't know it was a hazard but they do now...ergo why I thought E was wrong and chose A. Can someone explain why that was poor reasoning?
@bbcream I believe it is just the approach to this question that you are taking that makes it a bit more complicated than it has to be. Ignore the strength, ignore the weaknesses, ignore the potential mistakes in the argument. Only evaluate the structure.
After reading through the Stimulus, and then evaluating the Structure of the argument, I can see that the statement given in the Question Stem, "Acme Engines spent $500,000 relocating switches...." is used as Support (Premise) for the Main Conclusion of the Stimulus (The following sentence which states "Thus, Acme should be held liable."). The former sentence gives support to the latter.
So since the conclusion is "Acme SHOULD be held liable"
...wait why? Acme claims earlier that they are "NOT liable..." wait why did they claim that...... "...because it never realized the switches were a safety hazard." Oh okay. So in order to prove liability by these standards, we would need to prove they DID know they were a safety hazard.
So if the conclusion says they SHOULD be held liable, it is likely to mean that the premise is giving support to the idea that they DID know. Because if they DID know, then they ARE liable (in this context. forget outside context when evaluating these questions).
so A states: "Proof that the engineer is not at all responsible..." wait, who was ever arguing the engineer was not AT ALL responsible? That was never a position taken by anybody. Just because one person is argued to be responsible, doesn't mean all responsibility is given up by every other party involved. The argument given by this Commentator could just mean that Acme Engines at least owes that engineer an apology and some flowers.
Commenting because, like many others, NA was/is a difficult concept for me. The analysis of the “one vs. multiple responsibilities” perspective wasn’t something I initially considered when reviewing this paragraph. I do try to practice NA whenever I can now (lol), but I’m still wondering how to spot that relationship in real time—specifically, how to recognize when a stimulus is assuming total fault rather than partial fault. Is this mostly a matter of doing more reps and asking myself what relationships exist within the paragraph, or should I be paying closer attention to certain parts of the stimulus, like the beginning or the conclusion?
RE "Deconstruct the argument through the causal and moral frameworks." Just wondering which lesson talks about deconstructing an argument through 'moral frameworks'? (last line on page) Or if someone could explain that would be great!
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POE helped me. 1 minute over
This took me 5 whole minutes & finished it to see that it was a level 2 difficulty.... pray 4 me
I have high hopes for this sectionnnn
Nice! I really hope this section is easy
i feel like a dumb dumb for getting this wrong. My brain is getting jumbled with all these different question types
yayay got it right! :)
I didn't want to assume that Acme had switched out the switches before the wreck as it was never said explicitly. I therefore left room for the possibility that it could have been done after the wreck which would mean they didn't know it was a hazard but they do now...ergo why I thought E was wrong and chose A. Can someone explain why that was poor reasoning?
@bbcream I believe it is just the approach to this question that you are taking that makes it a bit more complicated than it has to be. Ignore the strength, ignore the weaknesses, ignore the potential mistakes in the argument. Only evaluate the structure.
After reading through the Stimulus, and then evaluating the Structure of the argument, I can see that the statement given in the Question Stem, "Acme Engines spent $500,000 relocating switches...." is used as Support (Premise) for the Main Conclusion of the Stimulus (The following sentence which states "Thus, Acme should be held liable."). The former sentence gives support to the latter.
So since the conclusion is "Acme SHOULD be held liable"
...wait why? Acme claims earlier that they are "NOT liable..." wait why did they claim that...... "...because it never realized the switches were a safety hazard." Oh okay. So in order to prove liability by these standards, we would need to prove they DID know they were a safety hazard.
So if the conclusion says they SHOULD be held liable, it is likely to mean that the premise is giving support to the idea that they DID know. Because if they DID know, then they ARE liable (in this context. forget outside context when evaluating these questions).
so A states: "Proof that the engineer is not at all responsible..." wait, who was ever arguing the engineer was not AT ALL responsible? That was never a position taken by anybody. Just because one person is argued to be responsible, doesn't mean all responsibility is given up by every other party involved. The argument given by this Commentator could just mean that Acme Engines at least owes that engineer an apology and some flowers.
Idk this was my reasoning. Hope this helps!
@SimonArmendariz Thank you! That was super helpful
Commenting because, like many others, NA was/is a difficult concept for me. The analysis of the “one vs. multiple responsibilities” perspective wasn’t something I initially considered when reviewing this paragraph. I do try to practice NA whenever I can now (lol), but I’m still wondering how to spot that relationship in real time—specifically, how to recognize when a stimulus is assuming total fault rather than partial fault. Is this mostly a matter of doing more reps and asking myself what relationships exist within the paragraph, or should I be paying closer attention to certain parts of the stimulus, like the beginning or the conclusion?
RE "Deconstruct the argument through the causal and moral frameworks." Just wondering which lesson talks about deconstructing an argument through 'moral frameworks'? (last line on page) Or if someone could explain that would be great!
Anyone else really struggle with getting the questions right on time? I will occasionally get them right but I rarely am within the time frame.
I feel like this explanation is overcomplicating things. Why are we putting our MSS hats on?
@kimwexler the constant acronyms are really aggravating
#typo Quick typo. The explanation for Answer choice B says "order" when it should be "older
i’m cooked 😀
how’d i get this wrong i feel like an idiot
After that last section I needed some Ws. So far this seems less.. soul-crushing?
yk what... hell yea... lets not talk about NA for a while (i need to go back and review at some point....I was crashing out)
real
i skimmed over the
word not.... :(
Never back down never WHAT????
NEVER GIVE UP
@abdullahalkhafaji Neva give upppppppp
WE ARE BACK BABY!! bradley cooper voice intensifies
bradley cooper voice intensifies is crazy lolololol
I feel exactly the same way 😂
I got it right, but felt not confident. Time to watch the video.
the light at the end of the tunnel
The comments did not disappoint lol I'm not gonna get too excited about getting this right because I know some BS is on the way.
Never fails. Pick us up, just to drop us like a bad habit.
its the calm before flaw questions I just know it
Oh i like these.....Fuhk the NA questions fr
Same Lol
I had the same thought lol.
I am so backkkk
it feels like the calm before the storm