I am about halfway though the CC and all of these indicators have really turned into second nature for me.

Although this is the case, I would really like to see “caused by” added into the Group 1 indicators, as it has really messed with my head. A clear example of this is on LSAT #25 S4 Q12. This question would have been an easy one have I would have known earlier. Lesson learned!

What are other people's thoughts? Is group 1 even the correct rule?

I see them mentioned on here a lot, but, aside from @"Cant Get Right"'s webinars, I rarely see them discussed or practiced much. Could someone explain what they are and how you use them?

Thanks!

Wasup 7sage community. So I took my LSAT in February... had been studying for 3 months at that point, but did not feel like I was at my peak. There was definitely room for improvement in all three sections. I still took it, and although I got a solid score, I know I can do better. So I'm deciding to take again and get it right this time...

The thing is, I am taking a two-year gap before law school. Ideally, I want to get solid work experience during this time. I am debating between taking it June or September... and am leaning towards September because the last thing I want is to rush myself again and put myself in a tough situation if I don't perform in June. However, I do not see myself full-time studying for 6 months... I want to look for a full-time internship/position. If I am giving myself 6 months, + the time I have already spent with the exam, is it feasible to hit my goal score range? Basically, is it necessary in the months leading up to the exam to be zeroed in on the LSAT or can solid prep allow for a more relaxed schedule? If anyone has been in a similar situation or can lend some words of wisdom, I would truly appreciate it.

Are we allowed to have a water bottle, or a drink within a bottle, outside of our plastic bags and within arms reach during the duration of the test? In other words, are we permitted to drink our beverage in the middle of a section or can we only drink during the brief intervals between sections and during the 15 minute break?

I started back up in January after graduating and moving and was hoping to be ready for the June exam. But with my new commitment to do this right the 2nd time round, it has taken me a lot longer to get through the CC. Plus, I have been really influenced by everyone on here to try and master the concepts better and I feel betting on myself in September will get me to my target score (168-170 range).

I hope this post helps those who are debating on pushing things back a bit. It sucks but I feel like I have a better shot at doing taking this test once and being done. There is nothing wrong with admitting you're not where you need to be if that helps you arrive at your final destination in the long run.

Hello,

I am planning on taking the LSAT in December 2017 for August 2018 admissions. I live in Puerto Rico and the school I am planning on attending requires a 150. Which course do you all recommend I take? I have a 3.7 GPA. When should I begin studying?

Thanks!

I currently have the Toptier timer lsat watch and it works fine, but im worried I won't have to time reset it in during the actual test. Should I get the more expensive ones (if they're even in stock) or am i fine?

Thanks

Can anyone comment on the ratio of Easiest, Easier, Medium, Harder and Hardest questions (On the 5 star system) on various sections (RC, LR and LG)?

I can get the easiest to medium questions almost all correct, but I cannot get the harder and hardest questions for the life of me, and I am stressed out about it.

How many harder and hardest questions are we expecting to see on each section?

thanks everyone

I heard a sage say, somewhere, that once you are good at fool proofing individual games, you should move on to fool proofing entire sections. What are people's thoughts on this?

I have been fool proofing individual games for many months now and feel ready to "upgrade" my studying to full sections. What are the best strategies to implement this?

I've read in various discussions about getting back to the basics, or mastering the fundamentals, before PTing. Can somebody please elaborate what this meant for them during this process? For instance, does this entail mastering all the drills and going -0 after BRing the practice sets? I took the LSAT this past February after completing the curriculum and did not perform well. I am planning on taking the test in October or December and want to make sure I am doing everything correctly this time around. I thoroughly went through the curriculum for 4 months, but only left myself 2 months for practice tests which felt rushed. Thanks for any advice!

I am still struggling with timing in some sections. At the 5 minute mark when I take practice PT's, I am still bubbling in the last question as the proctor (app) says "Pencils down" (like, filling in the oval). If were to do that during a real exam, would it be an issue? Or does pencils down mean drop your pencil immediately, without filling in the rest of the oval you were bubbling?

Sounds like a small question but I just had to ask.

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading a twelve-hour long LR workshop over four nights (three hours per night) for four students to provide an intensive and comprehensive overview of all foundational concepts and their application to all types of LR questions.

Schedule

Session 1 - March 31, Friday, 7pm - 10pm EST

Session 2 - April 1, Saturday, 7pm - 10pm EST

Session 3 - April 2, Sunday, 7pm - 10pm EST

Session 4 - April 3, Monday, 7pm - 10pm EST

Cost

Free. But! There's a $150 deposit to reserve your spot. If you show up on time and participate for the entire duration of all sessions, your deposit will automatically be refunded fully at the end of the workshop. Otherwise, it is forfeit. Please make sure you can attend the entire 12 hour long workshop.

#Frequently Asked Questions

Q: How will you select which four students will participate?

A: First-come, first-served. The first four students to successfully place the deposit will be selected.

Q: What if I'm the fifth person to sign up?

A: Since there are only four spots, you will be automatically refunded.

Q: Who should take this workshop and what will be covered?

A: Beginners. This means you haven't finished the Core Curriculum yet and you're not starting to take PrepTests yet. Imagine the workshop as a fast paced overview of the entire Core Curriculum that pertains to LR. We'll cover theory and we'll apply that theory to actual LSAT questions. It will be highly interactive and hence the limit of four students. Wherever you are in the Core Curriculum, this a great way to solidify the concepts covered.

Q: Can I sign up even if I'm not a beginner?

A: Yes, you can. I'm certain that it'll benefit you to return to concepts covered in the Core Curriculum. I'm also certain that you will find it very slow at times since I will be speaking to students on the assumption that they are beginners.

Q: Do I need to have a paid 7Sage account to sign up?

A: Yes, you do. If you have an expired account, message Dillon and see if he's willing to reactivate it for you.

Q: What materials are used in this workshop?

A: The workbook that you will be provided with will contain LR questions from PrepTests 54, 55, and 56. Yes, we will be "burning" those PrepTests in order to get a closer look at the modern LSAT.

Q: What do I need to do to prepare for the workshop if I get in?

A: You should print the above mentioned workbook. You should be in a quiet space where you can talk freely. You should have a fast internet connection. You should have headphones or earphones ready.

Q: How do I attend the workshop?

A: The workshop will be hosted on Go To Meeting, like all of 7Sage's webinars. Instructions and meeting location will be sent to you once you've successfully registered.

Q: Will there be more workshops in LR / LG / RC in the future?

A: Yes. This session accommodates east coasters who work during the day. Future sessions will accommodate others.

I'm re-taking in June. I've calculated that outside of the first 12 hours dedicated to the diagnostic, and the remaining PTs, the course itself is only 74 hours of instruction. Has anyone tried to cram the lessons into less than a month and spent the rest of the time PTing? <----This is what I want to do. And from there do 3 PTs a week + targeting my weakness areas. For what it's worth, I have no other obligations right now outside of preparing for the LSAT. Thanks for your input.

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7Sagers - I'm aiming to take the LSAT again in June - my 4th go around as I really want to go to Law School (duh) in fall of 2018... Anyways, I fancy myself as one of the worst LSAT takers ever to come about - 144-146-151 (most recent)... I'm currently drilling at 161 average after taking 5 tests (and finishing most of the curriculum for a 2nd time) - 36-37-38-39-40... I've taken those tests before, but it has been a few years, so I think that my question recognition is distant and not an advantage....

The whole point - keep the faith - keep working hard and better results will follow.

One thing I've noticed - my confidence is on a whole different level than a few years ago... And I'm crushing Logic games - I average 2 misses per game roughly... That is key! Reading Comp is rough and Logic Reasoning is still frustrating. I'm not a robot and human... Really dig down the application effect for logic reasoning - don't gloss over the explanations!

My goal is anything over 158 come June and William and Mary Law!

One last piece of advice: find the right balance between practice tests and curriculum review!

I had a few questions about the rules of actually taking the test in person I was hoping someone could clear up for me.

It's my understanding that you are only allowed to work on the section they tell you to work on and you can't open to any other section whether you've completed it or it's an upcoming one. Is that correct? Meaning, if taking section 2 of the test and the clock is going, you can't look back to section 1 and you can't look forward to 3/4/5.

Second, are the test booklets closed during the break? Am I leave it open to the last page of the last section just completed or do all booklets need to be closed?

Finally, are the scantrons of the actual test the same ones 7sage has for PT's? Meaning are all 5 sections on the same sheet?

Here's what prompted these questions: I was taking a PT today and I had trouble with the last question of section 1. During sections 2 and 3 my mind would wonder back to that question and think about it some more. I then realized why one answer was correct and why the answer I chose was wrong. I thought, damn, I missed that question. But then I realized I could just erase the answer and change it to what I know is the correct answer while I'm taking section 3. I never turned the page of the test booklet back to section 1. The whole reconsidering was done in my head alone. I figured if it's all on the same scantron and I'm not technically working on a different section in the booklet can't I just erase the answer on the section 1 part of the scantron?

If someone could answer these that would be helpful thanks!

Hi everyone!

84 Days left until the June LSAT

I was going through some old discussion points and noticed a weekly thread for review.

Feel free to contribute via your schedule/goal for the weekend and don't hesitate to give me pointers on mine!

Keep going! You're doing great :)

Hi all,

I took the LSAT in February and I was hoping to retake it again in June. Unfortunately, I broke my right elbow on Thursday. I am right handed and i'm typing this all with my left hand as we speak.

Has anyone here studied without you non-dominant hand? Any help on strategies on how to diagram logic games without writing it out by hand? I am more concerned w LG than the other sections. Hopefully I'll be healed by May.

Thanks!

Hi all,

I'm having difficulty with the really challenging causation/correlation LR problems. Any suggestions on finding problem sets for these particular questions?

As a side note, I also struggle with the more "math-y" LR questions that haven't been as common in recent years, and am looking for problem sets on those, too, but my first issue is more pressing.

Thanks in advance!

Hey guys,

Any tips on post core-curriculum ideas?

My first four PT's have been stagnant at 158-161. I didn't take a cold diagnostic and my first PT was 161.

Specifically,

A: What is a good PT schedule?

B: How do you recommend drilling LR?

C: How do you recommend going back to the core curriculum to review?

D : Is it normal to have your first four PT's show almost no improvement in raw score?

I'm writing in June and am planning on doing PT 35-80.

Thanks in advance!

PS: I think @"Cant Get Right" did a webinar on this; any take-aways from that webinar since I wasn't able to attend?

So...

I am currently on spring break, and plan on being 100% done with the curriculum by the weekend. My first week back I have a couple exams so just going to go over a few logic games sections and some reading comp sections to stay fresh. Then I am thinking every Friday (no classes on Friday) I take a practice exam, and during the day Saturday (potentially into the early portions of the following week) Blind Review and then go back over stuff in the curriculum (or other resources) that I feel like I struggled in. Then rinse and repeat until June 12th (possibly upping my practice test number per week as I get closer and when classes end).

Does this seem like a solid plan of action? I have taken two practice exams (scored 154, 160) so far, and went through a whole LSAT book (The LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim). I plan on taking it again in September depending how my score is in June. Any input would be appreciated!

Hey 7Sagers, it was a lot of fun Blind Reviewing PT 79 (September 2016 LSAT) with you. Thank you for that experience.

I'd like to do it again for PT 80 (December 2016 LSAT).

I'm holding 15 sessions total. 5 for each of LR 1, LR 2, and RC. Each session will focus on only one section of PT 80. All sessions will start at 7:30p EST and end at 10:30p. Multiple sessions are meant to accomodate people's various schedules and to reduce class size per session.

What happens in these sessions?

I'll ask students to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. I generally try to ask students questions to elicit the right response. Voluntary participation. But please wear headphones and be in a quiet place (without ambient noise).

How should I prepare?

Take PT 80 and have the questions you'd like to BR ready. The first thing I'll ask is for everyone to type which questions they'd like to BR.

Next Session

3/28 Tuesday - Section 2 - RC

7:30p - 10:30p EST

Meeting Link: https://chime.aws/8951446044

Meeting ID: 8951 44 6044

U.S. Toll: +1-929-432-4463

Meeting PIN: 8951 44 6044

International: https://chime.aws/dialinnumbers/

Obtaining PT 80

If you have an Ultimate+ account, you will be able to view and print PT 80 under the Syllabus.

Alternatively, you can purchase the paper copy of LSAT PT 80 on Amazon here.

Past Sessions

3/5 Sunday - Section 1 - LR

3/6 Monday - Section 1 - LR

3/8 Wednesday - Section 1 - LR

3/11 Saturday - Section 1 - LR

3/16 Thursday - Section 4 - LR

3/17 Friday - Section 4 - LR

3/18 Saturday - Section 4 - LR

3/27 Monday - Section 2 - RC

Edit&additional questions:

Let me change the title and ask a bit different question since it seems we can only post 2 threads per day...

for RC, do you think reading questions first would help me to understand what passage would say better?

Especially for those hard passages...

I know ppl recommend not reading questions first, but I'm terribly weak at hard RC...would it be helpful?

Original post:

Hi, this may sound a little weird question, but...

Which makes you comprehend the reading better, read it faster or slower?

Especially for those hard questions and passages in LR and RC...

I found sometimes even though I decrease the speed to understand better, it sometimes makes me even more confusing when I read slow. (and sometimes it's the same) But sometimes reading slower works better...

So I was wondering how others read...when you do not understand something in the passage, do you decrease your speed?

Or push reading?

Thanks

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I've seen Cant Get Right's 3 Phase study plan partially quoted in other posts, but I cannot find it in its entirety.

Can someone link me to it, if possible?

Also, I noticed that he held several webinars in Jan and Feb about it. Is there any update on when/if those might be uploaded as recordings? I am just moving on from the CC and definitely realizing that learning how to learn is necessary for success.

Thanks!