PT 49 BR June17 Study Group

Sat, Dec 17, 2016 3:00 PM EST

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Sat, Dec 17, 2016 3:00 PM EST

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* Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.

* These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).

* The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via GoToMeeting and intellectually slaughter each test.

Tentative study schedule

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=aWw1aWEzYTRkbWdoaDZsa3U3YjBsaDBlZDBAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

@dml277 @BinghamtonDave @"Alex Divine" @ScooterMinion @aimhigher @leannasamson @Omed_OvO @cm214998 @nanchito @"Lauren L" @Emely.Moreta @"el chucho" @jgsisco @Sharmetz @877blessed @mnrahall @jennagould60 @Citygirl @aaronmorris222 @bswise2 @KWoulf13 @mckenzieleanne10 @hhhiser_06 @DinnerAtSix @couchifer @poohbear @SherryS1 @smartaone2 @red_ambrosia @crp9ce @DiligenFxy0628 @karen.sov @spbarry @cfield.3 @JustDoIt @lawgikal @TheMikey @justicedst @bbutler @Mitzyyyy @AlexandriaD @"Burt Macklin" @"adore-no" @twssmith @gaandrsn @RafaelBernard @CinnamonTea @TheMikey @sheridan9194 @jimmyrivera201 @meg321go @carlistics @draj0623 @jcorine26 @caitieadams @ppcoelho1 @Gladiator_2015 @sunnyvictoria0610 @yamameerzada484 @bruingirl1205 @emilyxiong315 @lawschoolstuff16 @joneselisabethpenn @gaandrsn @tsan220 @Grace... @dantlee14 @dannyshaw @"Not Ralph Nader"

Hi guys! I had to write a character and fitness addendum in relation to an incident and I was wondering if anyone could please offer me some feedback? If you can do so, I would greatly appreciate if you would PM me and I will let you take a look. Thank you!

I have read a couple success stories with people who had issues with logic games and jumped enough to increase their overall scores to the 170's from the 150's.

My case is that I was scoring -8 in LG, -7 in RC, and -20 in LR to begin with. My improvements have come through slowly, and I do believe it is because I am working to improve on a more difficult section.

With that said, is that normally the hardest route to take in terms of improvement? Are any of you guys faced with the same situation? If so, how have you attacked jumping your LSAT to your desired range?

Hello, is there anyone here who has applied to Canadian schools? Reading past forums, OLSAS has posted a mark breakdown at the end of November/beginning of December but there is no such info on my OLSAS yet. Further, logging into the schools webpages (ie windsor law) it says that they have not received any of my information from OLSAS yet other then my LSAT score.

Has this happened to anyone?

Can't quite crack open those tricky NA questions? Struggling to break through a plateau? Need help finding the perfect green tea? Then Sage Daniel is your man! Bring your questions, and let Daniel take a crack at them!

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Thursday, Dec 15, 2016 8:00 PM EST

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Are there technically 2 application fees? One for the LSAC, and one for each school?

I've noticed that some of my target schools don't charge an application fee. So, would the LSAC still charge me to apply to those schools?

Hey, guys! I'm just drilling a few weaken questions on my lunch break and I have a question about AC C. I eliminated it but I haven't found my reasoning in the forums that matched mine, so I want to make sure I eliminated it for the right reasons. The AC only states that the coin was neither minted nor circulated after 1468. I eliminated it because the coin could've been minted or circulated prior to 1431. It also didn't see how it weakened any support between the premise and conclusion. Am I wrong here? There were other explanations that just seemed unnecessary to me. Thoughts?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-3-question-09/

Hey is anyone else having problems with the proctor feature on the 7sage app? I use an iPhone and as I was taking timed sections today, it would cut off right before the part where the proctor says, "...and start working now." And not only that but it essentially wasn't really keeping the time as there was no 5 minute warning nor did it tell me to put my pencil down after the 35 minutes was up. This proctor feature has been invaluable to me and I really don't want to switch to anything else. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone could take a look at my personal statement for a public interest law program. I plan on going into civil rights law and the personal essay discusses this ambition.

Incredibly dense questions here--but I cannot seem to make heads or tails of the labyrinthine transcript request process. Or maybe it isn't that difficult?

I bought the Credential Assembly service, downloaded a TRF for my university from the LSAC site, as well as a transcript request form from my own school and I'm about to mail both of them to my undergraduate.

2 things I'm a little unclear about: do I request just 1 copy, or as many copies as schools I will be applying to?

I'm also seeing a box on my school's transcript request form that says "Hold transcript until" and then several options below--I have no clue what this means! I assume I wouldn't want them to hold the transcript at all?

Sorry to come to the forums for this, but I really don't want to get this wrong, considering how long the process takes for it all!

Hope to have you there!

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Wednesday, December 14 at 12PM ET: PT72

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The Full Schedule for Feb Test Takers

Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - PT 72

Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - PT 73

Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - PT 74

Wednesday, January 4, 2016 - PT 75

Wednesday, January 11, 2016 - PT 76

Monday, January 16, 2016 - PT 77

Thursday, January 19, 2016 - PT 78

Wednesday, January 25, 2016 - PT 79

Wednesday, February 1, 2016 - PT 80

Google Calendar: Coming soon!

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Hey everyone!

First off, to all you Dec. LSAT takers - WE DID IT. It was hard. It sucked. I'm over it.

So now to the game plan - what are you guys thinking? Any Feb re-takers out there?

I personally am honestly not sure what to do right now. I took the Dec. LSAT last year and feel like I am in the same boat again. Felt prepared, got hard hard games thrown at me, freaked out, had to guess, ran out of time. Let anxiety get to me throughout the rest of the test - bombed.

I do not want to delay another year. Been there done that, want to start law school. So I am debating whether or not its even worth taking the February LSAT. I have terrible test anxiety, and this seems to be a pattern on the LSAT that I get thrown off, lose my cool and can't seem to get my shit back together.

So I'm thinking that if I have a less than stellar score this time around again, and take February, get thrown off again and get another mediocre score, I will have lost the advantage of still being a little earlier into the application cycle.

What do you guys think?

I know applications are currently still at an all-time low, so at least we have that on our side, and it's still early-ish into the application cycle.

Assuming I was perfect through the first 3 LG's, I believe I have a great shot at my "This makes me happy" result. In fact, I felt so good about the other sections that even a single correct guess on Game 4 would give me a decent shot at my reach goal.

My only fear is that I am overconfident on my performance. I generally have a strong read on LR and RC, and the consensus seems to be that those were 3* sections or below. It sometimes happens on LG, but the first two games seemed easy. I literally do not even remember what they were about, which is normally a good sign. The second one was trickier, but I believe a double sequencing set-up and (late) recognition of the key inference lead to solid results there.

I am currently working full time and would not want the stress of another month of work then library til midnight, study all weekend. However, I need to come within 2 points of my goal to get the financial offer that makes it much easier to go back full time. For reference, I was averaging one point higher than my goal over the last five simulated tests, all of which were from the 70's series.

I'd appreciate perspectives of others as I mull it over.

Hi all, I'm a nontraditional (read: 42yo) student. I had talked myself out of law school 2x previously, but discovered ABA-accredited hybrid and weekend programs where I could get a "real" law degree while working/family/living. I have a strong career, so I'm basically going for personal fulfillment, with some hope of increased income and job opportunities. There are no part-time programs within 100 miles of me, so the idea of flying out on weekends for class is very appealing. The problem is, the only 2 current hybrids are Mitchell (#140) and Loyola (#72). Syracuse (#86) is coming online next year.

However...my stats are such that I'm thinking about shooting higher, biting the bullet, and going full-time. [LSAT 169, BA gpa 2.7, MS gpa 3.7] I have a tenured government position, which would mean guaranteed job through school and after, along with the public service loan forgiveness IF I stay and do the hybrid. So, full-time law school would mean resigning and hoping to get a job upon graduation. Not to mention pulling 3 years salary from savings and student loans.

Is anyone else in 7sage-land looking at hybrids? Or is anyone else riding the full-time/part-time fence?

Hey again everyone, so I've been studying for quite some time now, and as I mentioned in another post, I am still scoring quite low (mid 140's, mid 150's after BR) :/ I feel like I already know, or have a general understanding of how to approach most problems in each section, but as noted with my score, I can obviously go back to the lessons and drill again. I've already pushed back taking the LSAT twice since the September administration, and I'm debating if I should take the February or the June exam.

One of my concerns for preparing as if I were to take the February exam is, what I should do if, let's say I take one PT a week until February, I am still not scoring what I want, but I've exhausted those recent PT's?

In other words, If I'm concerned with prepping for February with recent PT's with the possibility that I may not reach my target score (anything 155-160 or higher), should I perhaps PT with older tests in the 40's or 50's? Should I just wait till June?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thank y'all so much!

Anyone willing to critique my PS?

Hello all ,

i sat for my first attempt at the LSAT on december 3rd and I'm eagerly awaiting the results , but i was just wondering whats the best way to review the exam once i get my score?.

from what i understand you get a photocopy of the exam itself. should i treat it like a new exam and redo it?or should i BR my answers instead?

also , how long does it usually take 7sage to upload the answers for the test?

thanks

As you all know, many law school offer the options to do early decision, essentially meaning if you get in, you have to go there and you have to withdraw your apps from other schools. I have 2 questions on this I was hoping you guys could help me with.

1) Early decision increases your chance to get into that law school, correct?

2) A big decision on which law school to go to is scholarships. If I wanted to go to Harvard hypothetically, and did early decision there and I got in, but they offered me no scholarship, while I at the same time got into Standford and they offered me 50% tuition scholarships, I would for the most part go to Standford. Would I still be binded to go to Harvard even though I got no scholarship? Or would I be able to say something like hey Harvard I got 50% scholarship at Stanford so if you dont match that I do not have to go to your school?

So, Westworld is a really good show. And it's kinda crazy too. Spoilers starting now:

In the season finale of Westworld, the hosts (robots) are finally set free to destroy their enemies (and makers), humans.

Yay, go team robots! But I find it a bit analogous to the LSAT and test day. Finally being set free to destroy our enemy (the LSAT).

But let's be honest, at the start of our LSAT journey, we look much more like this:

How did the hosts get from mechanical parts to this conscious and free? By suffering, they continually learned to understand their enemy.

Dr. Ford: It was Arnold's key insight, the thing that led the hosts to their awakening... suffering.

Cue the creepy Dr. Ford smile:

But he continues: You needed time. Time to understand your enemy. To become stronger than them.

So basically, don't take the test until you're ready! And you're gonna need (probably) a year.

And yes, as Dr. Ford says: And I'm afraid in order to escape this place, you will need to suffer more.

It's true. You will likely suffer more really hard NA questions, surprise LGs, and Eileen Gray-esque RC passages.

Sometimes it may feel like the LSAT is a big, scary thing that you're unsure you will ever see any other part of the world again.

But you'll have the last laugh: After all, these violent delights have violent ends.

Soon enough, you'll be free to destroy the LSAT.

7Sagers,

On Tuesday, December 13th, at 9 p.m. EST, I’ll answer all your last-minute application questions. Still trying to figure out your diversity statement? Can’t decide whether you should send a “Why X” essay? Wondering whether to contact the admissions department about the slip-up? In the mood to feel schadenfreude about other people’s catastrophes? Come on over.

Post your questions below in as much detail as possible. I’ll answer written questions first, then move on to your live questions.

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Currently I can get 15-18 right without time limit for each LR section , but cannot get more correct.How can I improve the correct rate?I am going to do the February exam, many thanks !

Since I've taken the December exam my email has been flooded with Fee Waivers and Congratulations emails. This is becoming extremely overwhelming as its making me feel like I knocked it out the park and all the schools are interested in me. LOL Crazy I know because the scores haven't been released yet. But I have received 3x as many emails than September. Cant this be turn off via LSAC?

Sometimes in your LSAT prep you may feel demoralized or unmotivated, but remember you are determined, fierce....

the real deal...

and with hard work you can slay this test.

PT 44 BR June17

Sat, Dec 10, 2016 5:00 PM EST

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Note:

* For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able on your own; then join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.

* Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.

* These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).

* The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via GoToMeeting and intellectually slaughter each test.

Tentative study schedule

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=aWw1aWEzYTRkbWdoaDZsa3U3YjBsaDBlZDBAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

@dml277 @BinghamtonDave @"Alex Divine" @ScooterMinion @aimhigher @leannasamson @Omed_OvO @cm214998 @nanchito @"Lauren L" @Emely.Moreta @"el chucho" @jgsisco @Sharmetz @877blessed @mnrahall @jennagould60 @Citygirl @aaronmorris222 @bswise2 @KWoulf13 @mckenzieleanne10 @hhhiser_06 @DinnerAtSix @couchifer @poohbear @SherryS1 @smartaone2 @red_ambrosia @crp9ce @DiligenFxy0628 @karen.sov @spbarry @cfield.3 @JustDoIt @lawgikal @TheMikey @justicedst @bbutler @Mitzyyyy @AlexandriaD @"Burt Macklin" @"adore-no" @twssmith @gaandrsn @RafaelBernard @CinnamonTea @TheMikey @sheridan9194 @jimmyrivera201 @meg321go @carlistics @draj0623 @jcorine26 @caitieadams @ppcoelho1 @Gladiator_2015

I keep seeing people write in the comments section "POE"...what does this mean

On the LR question boxed below, JY did not give an explanation as to why answer E was wrong. Please take a look at it real quick and then read my take below after.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-4-question-22/

My take: Answer D (the correct answer) is the exact same as answer E (if you switch positioning of the "if/then"), except that answer E says if NONE of the dairies meets federal standards whereas answer D says MOST dont meet them. How is E wrong? If most of the dairies dont meet federal standards and that results in pollution of the water, then of course we can say that if NONE of them meet federal standards then the water will get polluted. If anything, we can be more sure from none of them meeting standards that the water will be polluted rather than most.

An analogy of my reasoning: If in a city, most of the power plants dont work, than the whole city will not have power. Answer D is saying most of the power plants dont work, so there will not be power. Answer E is saying NONE of the power plants work, so we can definitely be sure there will be no power!

What am I missing?