I took the test this morning in Irvine, California. An incident occurred that I suspect many test takers will file formal complaints regarding. I'm wondering if anyone has an idea what might happen with the test or the scores. Details are as follows:

A test taker showed up at roughly 8:40am, at this time the proctor had already started reading the instructions but the test had not begun. This test taker also brought a large handbag and a cell phone. The proctor told the test taker to place her bag at the front of the room, to which the test taker asked if she could keep it under her desk instead, the proctor correctly responded no. By this point, no mention was made of her visible cell phone, so I spoke up and told the test taker to turn off her cell phone immediately. The test taker turned to the proctor and asked if she could use her cell phone to keep time, the proctor correctly responded no. All of this to say, that there is no possible way the test taker read any of the rules before arriving, or she read them and willfully chose to disregard them. Which also means her signature on the test ticket wasn't a truthful agreement by any stretch. Despite all of this the proctor still registered the test taker and showed her to her seat.

The story doesn't end there

Halfway through section 1, the test taker broke into a violent coughing fit. These coughing fits proceeded intermittently every couple of minutes, and continued until the start of the second section. During the second section the proctor dismissed the test taker to the relief of the rest of us in the room.

During the break and after the test, several test takers communicated their intent to report the disturbance to LSAC, as the coughing fit was extremely distracting, also the proctor obviously violated a number of rules by still admitting the test taker. I'm wondering what has LSAC typically done during situations like this? Will they cancel scores by request without penalty? Will they call a "mistrial" and require a retest for everyone? Can I still keep my score if I want to?

I'm concerned because despite the disturbance I think I did okay, and I would like to keep my score and be done with testing.

If anyone has similar experience or knows what typically happens in cases like this, sharing your insights would be much appreciated.

According to this video, it seems like the Secret Service tests heavily on conditional logic. Try to see how many questions you can get right!

Hi! I'm practicing Must Be True/Most Supported questions and am having trouble with understanding why B is the correct answer as opposed to D. Answer D seems more like a paraphrase which is why I thought it's correct. Would love an explanation. Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-32-section-1-question-11/

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Does anyone else feel incapable of relaxing post exam. Almost like studying separation anxiety lol

The Lsat has now ruined my:

Thanks for all the warm warm wishes of death, X's & O's (which I wasn't planning on getting anyway), and holiday hopes & dreams.

Love,

the One Who Keeps Coming Back.

Is C right because its requires you to assume that since the number of large/med tornadoes reported has stayed the same, then the number of small tornadoes reported has increased? I'm not sure how one could see this answer strengthening the argument without making this assumption.

Hi why is C wrong? Wouldnt commercial development lead to more humans which lead to more mammals which eat the plants? I had a hard time distinguishing between C and D.

I am doing really well at the CC this year (as opposed to last year when I skimmed through it), getting 100% on most of the problem sets, and if I ever get a question or two wrong I'm getting them right upon BR. I know i've only gone thru the easier question types but I still feel good about my progress. I have been going through all of the problem sets (not saving any for later). I'm 20% done with the CC. I'm at the strengthening problem sets.

I'm wondering if I should start drilling MP/MSS/Weaken/Strengthen LR questions, maybe mixing together 25 of them of varying difficulty levels and taking them in 35 min like a full section in the test? So I can start working on my pacing. I don't see the point of drilling full LR sections from PTs as I have only learned how to do a few question types.

Or should I just drill sections of the exam when I am done with CC?

Since the question types do all relate to each other, and since I am reviewing my notes every day, I do not think I am necessarily doing myself a disservice by not repeating previously learned question types every day as I go through the CC.

I don't understand how E can be the correct answer. There actually appears to be no correct answer. The LSAT relies heavily on Formal Logic and applying a healthy dose of Logic to this answer dictates that every feature in slots 1-4 must contain either an "I" or an "M". Otherwise, you are a floater and can be anything. It should translate visually into this:

~5 ---> I or M

Alternatively, 1-4 ---> I or M.

In other words, slot 5 can also be I or M. The newspaper can have five M and one I without breaking any rules.

It appears a little bit like a double standard in this case as I can't see any way E conflicts with the rules using Formal Logic.

I cancelled once, got a 160, and feel like I probably got a low 160's on the Feb Test. I have had many PT's of 170 or higher. I'm now thinking of taking the Sept test and just working the next 6 months on the LSAT. It feels ridiculous to have taken the test 4 times. And I know without a doubt that if I practice for 6 more months, and in a more in depth not scrambling mode (took sept, dec, and now feb) I can at least go high 160's. But how would a school look at a C, 160, 162 (guess), and then let's say a 168. Would they just take the highest score. Would they be forced to average? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Hey all,

I just did #16 from PT 53, Section 1 --

the stimulus has clear conditional logic indicator words ... like "must," "any", etc. but after I watched the video explanation, i realized that answering the question does NOT use conditional logic/diagramming.

when i first tried to do the problem , I tried using conditional logic -- but got no where.

In the JY's video explanation, he doesn't use conditional logic -- EVEN though there are conditional indicator words.

How do you know whether to diagram (or NOT) -- especially when there ARE conditional logic indicator words?

Many thanks!

May your pencils be sharp, your negations quick, your passages interesting, and your games straight forward!

I took a practice LSAT today and scored a 155. I was 11/23 on logic games which drug me down. My goal score is 160-162. I have just recently started to reengage in logic game improvement. What is a realistic raw score goal to get on Logic games before the June test?

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I am confused as to why answer c is a better answer choice than a. They seem very similar, but is the answer c because there are a range of numbers opposed to using the same number (2) in answer choice a, or is there something bigger that I am missing?

One of the flash card quizzes early on in the curriculum asks to write out the logic for “Carrots cannot grow in the winter”

JY answered it as G —> /W

I understand this bc it’s just one sentence with one subject so obviously the G refers to carrots. I was thinking of it in the context of a long LR question which will probably have multiple subjects and probably compare diff vegetables, so adding a C in there somewhere is a good idea.

I wrote it as C —> /GW

I know that the way it’s labeled is somewhat arbitrary as long as the meaning is the same. I’m not sure if the saying “if [a carrot] grows, it is not winter,” is the same as “if you are a carrot, you don’t grow in the winter”

I guess this is a question of how to label subject/predicate/object/details modifying the predicate within conditionals.

Thoughts?

Someone saw and asked me what happened

My answer? The lsat

I've been really depressed not getting difficult 4-5 questions on LR (many times 3 too). This hurts my overall score so much that I've been consistently getting low 150. I thought I knew how to distinguish question types, how to diagram, and how to approach different types of questions. Now I'm considering hiring a tutor to help me. I wanted to hear what other people have done to overcome...

I know practice is so important but no matter how much I review. I just keep making mistakes and getting everything wrong.

Hi guys,

Forgive me for doing this but i just feel like ranting just a little bit, and hopefully finding a possible solution if there's one. So i've taking the LSAT twice before and i'm taking it again. The college test center that I have and will take it at (since it is the most convenient test center for me) did not provide a spot to place our prohibited belongings (phones, bags, etc). On both occasions I literally hid my phone in a BBQ grill outside the test center hoping that no one steals it whiles i'm taking the test, and the second time fortunately someone offered to keep it in their car together with my backpack, hopefully that we'll both be done in time so this person doesn't have to wait or worse drive off with my stuff. (Also, two girls got kicked out for having their phones on them. I'm assuming if they weren't gonna use it to cheat then maybe they had on them because they had no place to store them).

I absolutely understand why LSAC doesn't allow cellphones at the test center (to prevent cheating), but it seems wrong to not provide a place where people can store their things. It is not everyone who drives there or has a convenient place to store their prohibited items, and in the case of cellphones, we rely so much on them to warrant being fearful of losing it or it getting stolen.

Also, why is LSAC adamant on no mechanical pencils when taking the test? I'm assuming the machine that marks the tests can only read no.2 or HB lead pencil markings, but i literally just went to five stores closest to me (2 dollar stores, Ross, 7eleven, and my gas station shop) to buy a sharpener for tomorrow's test day in case i need it, and literally non of them had a regular/manuel sharpeners so I bought a $4 battery-powered sharpener. I'm not taking it to the center because i'm sure their not gonna allow it (even though there's no rule against automatic sharpeners), but could they either change this rule and allow mechanical pencils, or perhaps provide sharpeners assuming the center wouldn't have a wall sharpener?

Ok my rant is over. Goodluck to you all :)

This may sound ridiculous, but it just so happens that I can be ridiculously indecisive. I know that it's important to consider employment stats, scholarships, national ranking, location, course offerings, specializations, etc. in making the decision, but I find it somewhat frustrating that there is no "logic games approach" for deciding on a school.

If you're reading this and you've made your decision or are in the process of making it, could you share how you went about it?

Did you go with a gut feeling? Do a chart? Do a chart with a weird point system that ultimately made the decision for you?

Did you talk to academic advisors, professors, friends, and/or family to get input on anything?

If you've decided, were you absolutely sure or more 80% sure or maybe even less?

These are the kinds of questions I've been dying to ask other people. What's your story?

is there anyway that i can buy the drill pack and question bank for my LSAT starter course ?

Was access to certain features recently changed in Starter?

I no longer have the check marks next to items I have completed, nor do I have the option to have the side by side view of notes and video.

This is kind of a bummer.

I would LOVE to hear from someone that just kills Reading Comp every time you get to a passage. What is it that you do? Have you always done well at RC or did you have to really work at it? what changes did you make?

Question: Does LSAC send an email confirming your decision to withdraw? I never received an email and I don't see it listed on my LSAC profile. I want to make sure it was recorded!

Hey friends,

I am a junior from a top 15 school, with approximately 3.90 gpa double majoring in Cognitive Science and Sociology, with a minor in Philosophy. I want to go to law school directly after graduation. In the past summer, I interned in a renowned firm and did some paralegal work. This semester, I participated in a political campaign. I originally planned to take LSAT this Saturday but I know I am not fully prepared, so I withdrew. Now, I can get around 165 and kinda stagnate here. My ultimate goal is 175 and get into T6. I know LSAT is so important. Should I spend this coming summer studying for LSAT? or should I look for a summer internship? I'm so afraid if law schools ask me "what did you do during your past summer?" during the interview. Looking for suggestions!!

Hey all! Just thought it would be nice to create a discussion to share any inspiring thoughts/words/advice that helped you before your LSAT or that is currently helping you now-- since today is the day before the February sitting!

I'll start... I've been really trying to focus on all the progress that I've made. It's pretty amazing to me to see what I was doing when I started studying and what I'm capable of now. We should all DEFINITELY be proud of how much we've progressed, how much we've worked, and how far we've come. Going into the test tomorrow is just a chance to show off all of the amazing work we've done!